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In reply to the discussion: Joe Biden's health plan looks like the winner [View all]Gothmog
(179,960 posts)58. Read the article which is not an editorial but a history of why sanders failed to get a plan adopted
From the article
And so, at the end of 2014, Mr. Shumlin admitted defeat. I have learned that the limitations of state-based financing, the limitations of federal law, the limitations of our tax capacity and the sensitivity of our economy make single-payer unwise and untenable at this time, he said. The risk of economic shock is too high.
The Vermont plan was done in by high taxes, distrust of government and lack of political support. Any effort by a Sanders administration to enact a single-payer system at a national level would probably be doomed by similar problems.....
But if it couldnt work in Vermont, with a determined governor, an accommodating legislature and progressive voters, Mr. Sanders will have a tough time explaining why it will somehow succeed on a vastly larger scale. Vermont represents a practical failure on friendly turf, and that is what makes it such a powerful counter to Mr. Sanderss proposal.
If Vermont can pass a strong single-payer system and show it works well, it will not only be enormously important to this state, it will be a model, Mr. Sanders said in 2013.
As it turns out, it was a model. But instead of showing us how it would work, it showed us why it would fail.
The Vermont plan was done in by high taxes, distrust of government and lack of political support. Any effort by a Sanders administration to enact a single-payer system at a national level would probably be doomed by similar problems.....
But if it couldnt work in Vermont, with a determined governor, an accommodating legislature and progressive voters, Mr. Sanders will have a tough time explaining why it will somehow succeed on a vastly larger scale. Vermont represents a practical failure on friendly turf, and that is what makes it such a powerful counter to Mr. Sanderss proposal.
If Vermont can pass a strong single-payer system and show it works well, it will not only be enormously important to this state, it will be a model, Mr. Sanders said in 2013.
As it turns out, it was a model. But instead of showing us how it would work, it showed us why it would fail.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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while the young basically healthy peops pay into the private system
questionseverything
Oct 2019
#28
one small problem, MFA will never get passed in Congress, even if we have 53+ seats in the Senate
Celerity
Oct 2019
#40
No one is under the illusion that M4A would be passed in the next 4-8 years.
Act_of_Reparation
Oct 2019
#84
Being "pro-M4A" doesn't mean you think it's an immediate possibility.
Act_of_Reparation
Oct 2019
#87
show me where a major candidate who supports MFA says that they know it will not pass
Celerity
Oct 2019
#88
Isn't it Joe's plan to strengthen the ACA? That's been an effective and popular program until the
abqtommy
Oct 2019
#12
The NYT has a good article on how sanders failed to get a plan adopted in Vermont
Gothmog
Oct 2019
#57
I am living atm in a country (Sweden) that has HC similar to MFA, and grew up with the NHS in the UK
Celerity
Oct 2019
#49
I posit that IF a MFA proponent gets elected in 2020, then their presidency is already set up for
Celerity
Oct 2019
#52
Support for a public option has been increasing, and for Medicare-for-All has been decreasing
Gothmog
Oct 2019
#22
The politician himself established the premise from which the opposing point of view is argued.
lapucelle
Oct 2019
#81
Read the article which is not an editorial but a history of why sanders failed to get a plan adopted
Gothmog
Oct 2019
#58
Agreed, absolutely. NONE of these plans will see the light of day as written.
TreasonousBastard
Oct 2019
#43
Biden is a veteran in the health care fight. He was around when the Clinton effort failed...
Poeraria
Oct 2019
#104
"Other polling shows support for Medicare for All plummets when people realize it would mean
R B Garr
Nov 2019
#110
Nancy Pelosi is "not for doing away with Obamacare" and prefers to give people choices.
Gothmog
Dec 2019
#112