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Hortensis

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69. Fwiw, health INSURANCE is already mostly obsolete.

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:05 PM

Oct 2019

Insurance for niche markets will survive, but people in general need health maintenance for their lifetimes. Insurance is coverage for unforeseeable problems that would be too expensive to save for, like house fires and first heart attacks (which obligingly used to carry a lot of older insureds off instead of leading to another 30 years of stents, etc.).

Thus companies are increasingly morphing from providing insurance to providing mostly computerized health "paperwork" administration, and expenses are far lower for that.

As for job losses, of course there have already been millions due to computerization and these changes and will be more. In future, when most everyone's charged the same rate, people skilled in pricing applicants won't be needed. When coverage can't be denied, people skilled in rooting out reasons and supplying excuses aren't needed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Warren Admits Universal Medicare Would Result in Two Million Lost Jobs [View all] George II Oct 2019 OP

now wait, what jobs are we talking about? paulkienitz Oct 2019 #1

people employed to keep you from getting healthcare services. Voltaire2 Oct 2019 #11

+1,000 Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #24

Bingo snort Oct 2019 #28

It isn't discussed because it isn't true! wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #90

What do you suppose the medicare for all plan will pay for? Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #97

I just heard her say that these people will get jobs in other insurance sectors like automobile UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #162

Except not even 1/2 million are employed by the health insurance industry. oldsoftie Oct 2019 #39

Well that is odd then. Voltaire2 Oct 2019 #49

Why? It takes an education to be a health care provider. Who is going to pay for the education? wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #92

Under our current system individuals pay for their own education. Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #154

Maybe they added the extra people needed in doctor's practices who need to deal with the karynnj Oct 2019 #56

And other medical facilities. Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #81

And all the many different forms instead of one. blm Oct 2019 #103

DING! DING! DING! We hava winner!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #80

all the jobs DENVERPOPS Oct 2019 #14

The same reason we wont look at funding like the other countries do. oldsoftie Oct 2019 #41

Jobs that drive the cost of US healthcare to twice anyone else's with worse outcomes. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #53

Doesn't matter. People losing jobs is a problem. dem4decades Oct 2019 #76

Yep Rebl2 Oct 2019 #95

Yeah - HRC was wrong to say coalworkers would get retrained for blm Oct 2019 #107

I wouldn't say she was stupid. She was hopeful they would understand. dem4decades Oct 2019 #123

She wasn't stupid. And that was my point. blm Oct 2019 #127

There were roughly 50,000 coal miners in 2016, according to Wikipedia. Warren was highplainsdem Oct 2019 #145

One of these things is not like the other. LanternWaste Nov 2019 #161

Gee thanks, old buddy. blm Nov 2019 #164

Regular Americans who work for insurance companies, perhaps? mcar Oct 2019 #96

Only the jobs we mock... so it's ok. LanternWaste Nov 2019 #160

This is why president obama did not go for this MaryMagdaline Oct 2019 #2

Not when unemployment was at 10%, but, now it's at 4. blm Oct 2019 #44

Wow that is not a winning issue. nt doc03 Oct 2019 #3

So the only option is to keep insurance companies in control guillaumeb Oct 2019 #4

Right, 'f' that! elleng Oct 2019 #7

It probably is necessary to bring down costs DrToast Oct 2019 #12

You might be right, but we can counter it WobblyDem Nov 2019 #150

Which jobs? elleng Oct 2019 #5

This is shoddy, George BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author melman Oct 2019 #13

Not my headline. In this context though, could/would are essentially interchangeable. Remember.... George II Oct 2019 #18

See below BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #23

National Review knew they were changing the word. Now you do, too. blm Oct 2019 #37

You've now removed the article but kept the headline melman Oct 2019 #62

Is it inaccurate? Did you watch the interview yet? George II Oct 2019 #65

No, it's not accurate melman Oct 2019 #85

That's funny. I added the video at 6:37, you criticized it at 6:59, the video is 58 minutes long.... George II Oct 2019 #89

I never criticized the video melman Oct 2019 #91

Watch the video. George II Oct 2019 #99

I did melman Oct 2019 #106

Perhaps you watched another video by mistake. ehrnst Oct 2019 #110

No I actually didn't do that melman Oct 2019 #111

Sounds like you did. ehrnst Oct 2019 #112

No it actually doesn't sound like that at all melman Oct 2019 #113

No, I watched the video and the headline is accurate. ehrnst Oct 2019 #114

It's actually not melman Oct 2019 #115

No, you're wrong. The headline is accurate concerning the video. ehrnst Oct 2019 #116

No, I'm not wrong at all melman Oct 2019 #117

I understand perfectly what was said melman Oct 2019 #120

Yes, she did. Here is the section with what she agreed was "part of the cost issue" ehrnst Oct 2019 #124

I've already watched it melman Oct 2019 #125

There is. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2019 #126

There actually isn't melman Oct 2019 #129

There is no one so blind as one who refuses to see. Unbelievable! Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #143

Whatever melman Oct 2019 #144

Slow clap. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #147

Well isn't this interesting melman Nov 2019 #156

As they say, "the truth will set you free!" Thanks ehrnst for that mega dose of truth and reality.. George II Oct 2019 #140

To repeat the obvious, the National Review headline which the OP adopted is bullshit BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #121

I will thanks. Because I'm not "bullshiting." (nt) ehrnst Oct 2019 #128

Snap! Cha Nov 2019 #168

Economist said could, as in possibly. NR switched to WOULD blm Oct 2019 #130

Bazinga! George II Oct 2019 #141

A lot of whaling jobs were lost with the transition to nature gas Auggie Oct 2019 #8

Bring back whaling jobs. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #51

Well, that doesn't sound good DrToast Oct 2019 #9

MFA is a loser in General Election. The jobs, if in fact that many would be lost, Hoyt Oct 2019 #10

Yeah, this is one place where I diverge from Ms. Warren. B Stieg Oct 2019 #15

This is a National Review article melman Oct 2019 #16

So? George II Oct 2019 #21

So you don't see the issue with posting right wing garbage from the National Review? melman Oct 2019 #29

National Review was only reporting on Warren's interview, which is now in the OP... George II Oct 2019 #58

Yet you've kept their negatively framed headline melman Oct 2019 #59

Do you think NR chose the word 'would' honestly? blm Oct 2019 #40

"Shoot the messenger", George. It doesnt matter if the message is true. Here's the full interview. oldsoftie Oct 2019 #45

Thank you. I'll add that to the OP to soothe those who don't think Warren said such words. George II Oct 2019 #47

Said what words? BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #72

This is the tax issue on steroids DrToast Oct 2019 #17

Millions of fossil fuel jobs will be lost if we move to renewable energy. blm Oct 2019 #27

So that's how many unnecessary middle men we've been supporting all this time? Aaron Pereira Oct 2019 #19

Why yes. Yes it is. Demobrat Oct 2019 #77

On the bright side. Aaron Pereira Oct 2019 #83

She's someone who has the capacity to change her mind when new data come available. ehrnst Oct 2019 #20

If it gets passed.. Biden's Plan is Ready to Go from Day ONE.. Cha Oct 2019 #22

The healthcare INSURANCE industry. There will be more jobs blm Oct 2019 #25

You are under the assumption that those over 45 year old TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #38

Not just the government jobs, but, all related healthcare blm Oct 2019 #43

Not necessarily. TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #50

In N.C. rural hospitals are suffering BECAUSE Republicans are blocking blm Oct 2019 #66

Two things: TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #132

It's so wrong to have such obscene profits allowed blm Oct 2019 #133

There are opportunists in every business sector. TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #139

I doubt that this will happen Gothmog Nov 2019 #167

National Review... Bartollo Oct 2019 #26

The Interview was with NPR NOT NR... pangaia Oct 2019 #68

The word switch was done by National Review blm Oct 2019 #70

that is true.... pangaia Oct 2019 #71

I was thinking about lost jobs earlier today before hearing of this OKNancy Oct 2019 #30

National Review twists key facts to dupe a gullible audience anxious to attack Warren blm Oct 2019 #31

Maybe they could get jobs as coal miners? Fiendish Thingy Oct 2019 #32

The net job loss number is meaningless TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #46

It will take tremendous personal and political courage to move beyond the Status Quo nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2019 #48

Tell that to the gentleman (or lady) that loses their job TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #55

Disgruntled blacksmiths didn't stop the transition to automobiles Fiendish Thingy Oct 2019 #118

Your comparison is not analogous. TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #138

I bet the blacksmiths didn't care if it was a major advancement in technology Fiendish Thingy Oct 2019 #148

For those who are having their livelihoods threatened TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #149

There will be a need for a crash program in health care providers ritapria Oct 2019 #33

Twenty. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #35

I would think a decade at a minimum peggysue2 Oct 2019 #42

I do not like her plan. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #34

Which is why diving headlong into Medicare4All is a losing proposition peggysue2 Oct 2019 #36

Like the coal jobs lost to solar and wind? Gore1FL Oct 2019 #52

The coal jobs and jobs in other industries mentioned her migrated to other jobs.... George II Oct 2019 #57

Fortunately, new ones are on a fast time schedule too. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #60

Except that the current employees are spread over all 50 states, PR, Guam, and other territories.... George II Oct 2019 #63

Maybe. Maybe they'll go to the same offices and do the same basic jobs. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #74

My proposal would employ all rank and file workers in the related fields in the new govt Eliot Rosewater Oct 2019 #54

When factory workers lost their job the response was pretty much, "Get bent." Downtown Hound Oct 2019 #61

People seem to think it's no big deal to pick up and move hundreds/thousands of miles.... George II Oct 2019 #67

Never said it wasn't a big deal Downtown Hound Oct 2019 #73

At least they will have healthcare while they do it... nt Gore1FL Oct 2019 #75

K&R as our history shows, with any major change of course, from the new deal to Kurt V. Oct 2019 #64

Fwiw, health INSURANCE is already mostly obsolete. Hortensis Oct 2019 #69

We do have a nursing shortage. aikoaiko Oct 2019 #78

So, someone who does data entry and clerical work at an insurance company can become a nurse? George II Oct 2019 #82

they could. aikoaiko Oct 2019 #84

Depending on their age, availability of nursing programs and spaces in them, ability to repay emmaverybo Oct 2019 #102

Its rough I agree, but better than system with millions uninsured and dying too early aikoaiko Oct 2019 #104

M4All is simply not the only option to provide healthcare for all. Do you realize millions emmaverybo Oct 2019 #134

Most of the people that now have those wonderful plans forthemiddle Nov 2019 #157

Even if one over looks the job losses. The CBO study says mfa...32 trillion over 10 years Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #79

And that's 2 trillion less than what we're paying now. blm Oct 2019 #108

that is more jobs than the *entire* United States economy will create this year. Gothmog Oct 2019 #86

Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #87

There is going to be hugh structural changes for whatever plan eventually gets adopted. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2019 #88

✔️ blm Oct 2019 #100

That'll go over well with voters. highplainsdem Oct 2019 #93

You have to break some eggs to make omelet Joe941 Oct 2019 #94

There will be no omelet because we will lose the 2020 election if we run on MFA. Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #105

Wrong. A wet paper bad could beat tRump. Joe941 Oct 2019 #109

Polls do not support this and there will be mass cheating, emmaverybo Oct 2019 #136

If we cure cancer many oncologists will lose their jobs Cicada Oct 2019 #98

I worked in the HC industry for many years mcar Oct 2019 #101

I would more than gladly turnover the $100,000 that I paid in medical bills Farmer-Rick Oct 2019 #119

👏👏👏 blm Oct 2019 #131

Thank you for your post, mcar.. Cha Nov 2019 #152

From Harry Reid Gothmog Nov 2019 #169

Then there's the real estate tirebiter Oct 2019 #122

Oh that's a minor complication. Why does the real estate have to change hands? Farmer-Rick Oct 2019 #137

Bernie Was Never Held to Account for the Jobs, Cost and Tax Implications of His Healthcare Plans. Indykatie Oct 2019 #135

This is at least as bad for Warren & MFA as a sound bite admitting taxes will have to go up. highplainsdem Oct 2019 #142

Will this cause her to lose Minnesota in the GE? Lexblues Oct 2019 #146

You could address this as a job loss, or... Eyeball_Kid Nov 2019 #151

With millions more people insured and seeking health care duforsure Nov 2019 #153

A single payer system would be a jobs creator. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #155

Unrec. MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #158

Statement from Biden campaign Gothmog Nov 2019 #159

Regardless, this will not play well...AT ALL. What don't people get about that???? nt UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #163

Is that a net or total number? Amimnoch Nov 2019 #165

Elizabeth Warren's latest health plan is causing concerns for some centrist, moderate and rural Demo Gothmog Nov 2019 #166

Medicare for All's JOBS problem Gothmog Nov 2019 #170

Nancy Pelosi is "not for doing away with Obamacare" and prefers to give people choices. Gothmog Dec 2019 #171

Why not start your own thread about it... TCJ70 Dec 2019 #172