Democratic Primaries

mcar

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101. I worked in the HC industry for many years

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 08:19 PM

Oct 2019

in hospital administration. I saw, experienced, and truly believe, we need a universal, single payer system in this country.

But here's the rub. Job losses, taxes raised.

I think all the candidates, quite frankly, especially those who are pushing M4A right now, need to do a better job of explaining the entire system and process - how taxes would go up, but premiums would come down. How to manage those insurance industry job losses. How to increase the rolls of primary care providers.

That's why I like Kamala Harris's 10 year out plan. People called it a flip flop or something, but she listened to people's concerns. It's why I like Biden's plan to shore up the ACA, add a public option, and gradually move to a universal plan.

We cannot just blow up the system and start from scratch. I wish we could, but we can't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Warren Admits Universal Medicare Would Result in Two Million Lost Jobs [View all] George II Oct 2019 OP

now wait, what jobs are we talking about? paulkienitz Oct 2019 #1

people employed to keep you from getting healthcare services. Voltaire2 Oct 2019 #11

+1,000 Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #24

Bingo snort Oct 2019 #28

It isn't discussed because it isn't true! wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #90

What do you suppose the medicare for all plan will pay for? Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #97

I just heard her say that these people will get jobs in other insurance sectors like automobile UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #162

Except not even 1/2 million are employed by the health insurance industry. oldsoftie Oct 2019 #39

Well that is odd then. Voltaire2 Oct 2019 #49

Why? It takes an education to be a health care provider. Who is going to pay for the education? wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #92

Under our current system individuals pay for their own education. Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #154

Maybe they added the extra people needed in doctor's practices who need to deal with the karynnj Oct 2019 #56

And other medical facilities. Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #81

And all the many different forms instead of one. blm Oct 2019 #103

DING! DING! DING! We hava winner!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #80

all the jobs DENVERPOPS Oct 2019 #14

The same reason we wont look at funding like the other countries do. oldsoftie Oct 2019 #41

Jobs that drive the cost of US healthcare to twice anyone else's with worse outcomes. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #53

Doesn't matter. People losing jobs is a problem. dem4decades Oct 2019 #76

Yep Rebl2 Oct 2019 #95

Yeah - HRC was wrong to say coalworkers would get retrained for blm Oct 2019 #107

I wouldn't say she was stupid. She was hopeful they would understand. dem4decades Oct 2019 #123

She wasn't stupid. And that was my point. blm Oct 2019 #127

There were roughly 50,000 coal miners in 2016, according to Wikipedia. Warren was highplainsdem Oct 2019 #145

One of these things is not like the other. LanternWaste Nov 2019 #161

Gee thanks, old buddy. blm Nov 2019 #164

Regular Americans who work for insurance companies, perhaps? mcar Oct 2019 #96

Only the jobs we mock... so it's ok. LanternWaste Nov 2019 #160

This is why president obama did not go for this MaryMagdaline Oct 2019 #2

Not when unemployment was at 10%, but, now it's at 4. blm Oct 2019 #44

Wow that is not a winning issue. nt doc03 Oct 2019 #3

So the only option is to keep insurance companies in control guillaumeb Oct 2019 #4

Right, 'f' that! elleng Oct 2019 #7

It probably is necessary to bring down costs DrToast Oct 2019 #12

You might be right, but we can counter it WobblyDem Nov 2019 #150

Which jobs? elleng Oct 2019 #5

This is shoddy, George BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author melman Oct 2019 #13

Not my headline. In this context though, could/would are essentially interchangeable. Remember.... George II Oct 2019 #18

See below BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #23

National Review knew they were changing the word. Now you do, too. blm Oct 2019 #37

You've now removed the article but kept the headline melman Oct 2019 #62

Is it inaccurate? Did you watch the interview yet? George II Oct 2019 #65

No, it's not accurate melman Oct 2019 #85

That's funny. I added the video at 6:37, you criticized it at 6:59, the video is 58 minutes long.... George II Oct 2019 #89

I never criticized the video melman Oct 2019 #91

Watch the video. George II Oct 2019 #99

I did melman Oct 2019 #106

Perhaps you watched another video by mistake. ehrnst Oct 2019 #110

No I actually didn't do that melman Oct 2019 #111

Sounds like you did. ehrnst Oct 2019 #112

No it actually doesn't sound like that at all melman Oct 2019 #113

No, I watched the video and the headline is accurate. ehrnst Oct 2019 #114

It's actually not melman Oct 2019 #115

No, you're wrong. The headline is accurate concerning the video. ehrnst Oct 2019 #116

No, I'm not wrong at all melman Oct 2019 #117

I understand perfectly what was said melman Oct 2019 #120

Yes, she did. Here is the section with what she agreed was "part of the cost issue" ehrnst Oct 2019 #124

I've already watched it melman Oct 2019 #125

There is. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2019 #126

There actually isn't melman Oct 2019 #129

There is no one so blind as one who refuses to see. Unbelievable! Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #143

Whatever melman Oct 2019 #144

Slow clap. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #147

Well isn't this interesting melman Nov 2019 #156

As they say, "the truth will set you free!" Thanks ehrnst for that mega dose of truth and reality.. George II Oct 2019 #140

To repeat the obvious, the National Review headline which the OP adopted is bullshit BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #121

I will thanks. Because I'm not "bullshiting." (nt) ehrnst Oct 2019 #128

Snap! Cha Nov 2019 #168

Economist said could, as in possibly. NR switched to WOULD blm Oct 2019 #130

Bazinga! George II Oct 2019 #141

A lot of whaling jobs were lost with the transition to nature gas Auggie Oct 2019 #8

Bring back whaling jobs. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #51

Well, that doesn't sound good DrToast Oct 2019 #9

MFA is a loser in General Election. The jobs, if in fact that many would be lost, Hoyt Oct 2019 #10

Yeah, this is one place where I diverge from Ms. Warren. B Stieg Oct 2019 #15

This is a National Review article melman Oct 2019 #16

So? George II Oct 2019 #21

So you don't see the issue with posting right wing garbage from the National Review? melman Oct 2019 #29

National Review was only reporting on Warren's interview, which is now in the OP... George II Oct 2019 #58

Yet you've kept their negatively framed headline melman Oct 2019 #59

Do you think NR chose the word 'would' honestly? blm Oct 2019 #40

"Shoot the messenger", George. It doesnt matter if the message is true. Here's the full interview. oldsoftie Oct 2019 #45

Thank you. I'll add that to the OP to soothe those who don't think Warren said such words. George II Oct 2019 #47

Said what words? BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #72

This is the tax issue on steroids DrToast Oct 2019 #17

Millions of fossil fuel jobs will be lost if we move to renewable energy. blm Oct 2019 #27

So that's how many unnecessary middle men we've been supporting all this time? Aaron Pereira Oct 2019 #19

Why yes. Yes it is. Demobrat Oct 2019 #77

On the bright side. Aaron Pereira Oct 2019 #83

She's someone who has the capacity to change her mind when new data come available. ehrnst Oct 2019 #20

If it gets passed.. Biden's Plan is Ready to Go from Day ONE.. Cha Oct 2019 #22

The healthcare INSURANCE industry. There will be more jobs blm Oct 2019 #25

You are under the assumption that those over 45 year old TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #38

Not just the government jobs, but, all related healthcare blm Oct 2019 #43

Not necessarily. TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #50

In N.C. rural hospitals are suffering BECAUSE Republicans are blocking blm Oct 2019 #66

Two things: TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #132

It's so wrong to have such obscene profits allowed blm Oct 2019 #133

There are opportunists in every business sector. TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #139

I doubt that this will happen Gothmog Nov 2019 #167

National Review... Bartollo Oct 2019 #26

The Interview was with NPR NOT NR... pangaia Oct 2019 #68

The word switch was done by National Review blm Oct 2019 #70

that is true.... pangaia Oct 2019 #71

I was thinking about lost jobs earlier today before hearing of this OKNancy Oct 2019 #30

National Review twists key facts to dupe a gullible audience anxious to attack Warren blm Oct 2019 #31

Maybe they could get jobs as coal miners? Fiendish Thingy Oct 2019 #32

The net job loss number is meaningless TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #46

It will take tremendous personal and political courage to move beyond the Status Quo nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2019 #48

Tell that to the gentleman (or lady) that loses their job TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #55

Disgruntled blacksmiths didn't stop the transition to automobiles Fiendish Thingy Oct 2019 #118

Your comparison is not analogous. TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #138

I bet the blacksmiths didn't care if it was a major advancement in technology Fiendish Thingy Oct 2019 #148

For those who are having their livelihoods threatened TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #149

There will be a need for a crash program in health care providers ritapria Oct 2019 #33

Twenty. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #35

I would think a decade at a minimum peggysue2 Oct 2019 #42

I do not like her plan. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #34

Which is why diving headlong into Medicare4All is a losing proposition peggysue2 Oct 2019 #36

Like the coal jobs lost to solar and wind? Gore1FL Oct 2019 #52

The coal jobs and jobs in other industries mentioned her migrated to other jobs.... George II Oct 2019 #57

Fortunately, new ones are on a fast time schedule too. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #60

Except that the current employees are spread over all 50 states, PR, Guam, and other territories.... George II Oct 2019 #63

Maybe. Maybe they'll go to the same offices and do the same basic jobs. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #74

My proposal would employ all rank and file workers in the related fields in the new govt Eliot Rosewater Oct 2019 #54

When factory workers lost their job the response was pretty much, "Get bent." Downtown Hound Oct 2019 #61

People seem to think it's no big deal to pick up and move hundreds/thousands of miles.... George II Oct 2019 #67

Never said it wasn't a big deal Downtown Hound Oct 2019 #73

At least they will have healthcare while they do it... nt Gore1FL Oct 2019 #75

K&R as our history shows, with any major change of course, from the new deal to Kurt V. Oct 2019 #64

Fwiw, health INSURANCE is already mostly obsolete. Hortensis Oct 2019 #69

We do have a nursing shortage. aikoaiko Oct 2019 #78

So, someone who does data entry and clerical work at an insurance company can become a nurse? George II Oct 2019 #82

they could. aikoaiko Oct 2019 #84

Depending on their age, availability of nursing programs and spaces in them, ability to repay emmaverybo Oct 2019 #102

Its rough I agree, but better than system with millions uninsured and dying too early aikoaiko Oct 2019 #104

M4All is simply not the only option to provide healthcare for all. Do you realize millions emmaverybo Oct 2019 #134

Most of the people that now have those wonderful plans forthemiddle Nov 2019 #157

Even if one over looks the job losses. The CBO study says mfa...32 trillion over 10 years Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #79

And that's 2 trillion less than what we're paying now. blm Oct 2019 #108

that is more jobs than the *entire* United States economy will create this year. Gothmog Oct 2019 #86

Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #87

There is going to be hugh structural changes for whatever plan eventually gets adopted. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2019 #88

✔️ blm Oct 2019 #100

That'll go over well with voters. highplainsdem Oct 2019 #93

You have to break some eggs to make omelet Joe941 Oct 2019 #94

There will be no omelet because we will lose the 2020 election if we run on MFA. Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #105

Wrong. A wet paper bad could beat tRump. Joe941 Oct 2019 #109

Polls do not support this and there will be mass cheating, emmaverybo Oct 2019 #136

If we cure cancer many oncologists will lose their jobs Cicada Oct 2019 #98

I worked in the HC industry for many years mcar Oct 2019 #101

I would more than gladly turnover the $100,000 that I paid in medical bills Farmer-Rick Oct 2019 #119

👏👏👏 blm Oct 2019 #131

Thank you for your post, mcar.. Cha Nov 2019 #152

From Harry Reid Gothmog Nov 2019 #169

Then there's the real estate tirebiter Oct 2019 #122

Oh that's a minor complication. Why does the real estate have to change hands? Farmer-Rick Oct 2019 #137

Bernie Was Never Held to Account for the Jobs, Cost and Tax Implications of His Healthcare Plans. Indykatie Oct 2019 #135

This is at least as bad for Warren & MFA as a sound bite admitting taxes will have to go up. highplainsdem Oct 2019 #142

Will this cause her to lose Minnesota in the GE? Lexblues Oct 2019 #146

You could address this as a job loss, or... Eyeball_Kid Nov 2019 #151

With millions more people insured and seeking health care duforsure Nov 2019 #153

A single payer system would be a jobs creator. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #155

Unrec. MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #158

Statement from Biden campaign Gothmog Nov 2019 #159

Regardless, this will not play well...AT ALL. What don't people get about that???? nt UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #163

Is that a net or total number? Amimnoch Nov 2019 #165

Elizabeth Warren's latest health plan is causing concerns for some centrist, moderate and rural Demo Gothmog Nov 2019 #166

Medicare for All's JOBS problem Gothmog Nov 2019 #170

Nancy Pelosi is "not for doing away with Obamacare" and prefers to give people choices. Gothmog Dec 2019 #171

Why not start your own thread about it... TCJ70 Dec 2019 #172