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redstateblues

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35. Straw men that Nader fans like to blame. Who can forget Nader's slogan

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 10:31 PM

Oct 2019

“Not a dime’s worth of difference”? Nader is a narcissist who helped elect Bush and is partially to blame for the Iraq war. It’s amazing there are still Nader apologists out there.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Michael Moore Endorses Bernie Sanders for President [View all] Uncle Joe Oct 2019 OP

WHAT??? I'm stunned. George II Oct 2019 #1

It figures. He has a poor record of endorsing Democrats. NNadir Oct 2019 #2

NOTHING damaged Al Gore's chances more than Bill Clinton Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #4

That's not true at all. Forget Patrick Buchanan/Ralph Nader/Katherine Harris/butterfly ballot? George II Oct 2019 #9

Al has but he does chide the "gatekeepers" aka; corporate media conglomerates. Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #11

So where does he blame Bill Clinton? The premise of your post was it was Clinton's fault. George II Oct 2019 #25

That is the premise of my previous post, I never said Al blamed Bill in that video but Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #30

I lived through that, the LAST thing I would do is blame Bill Clinton for Gore's "loss". George II Oct 2019 #32

I didn't believe you would but on that we're in sharp disagreement although as Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #34

Back in 2000 we didn't have the "corporate media conglomerates" like some think we have today.... George II Oct 2019 #38

1. If you actually listened to Al on that video, he referred to them as the "gatekeepers" and the Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #42

You certainly are consistent in failing to ever provide objective evidence LanternWaste Nov 2019 #73

Blaming Bill Clinton for Gore's loss is laughable. TwilightZone Oct 2019 #48

Bill for all his political skills was poor on substance in not involving the best Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #50

Wait...what? Your post blames Clinton's apocryphal "undercutting" of his vice president lapucelle Nov 2019 #87

I said "in that video." Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #88

YOU blamed Clinton. YOU said "NOTHING damaged Al Gore's chances more than Bill Clinton" lapucelle Nov 2019 #89

That's correct and I just provided you an analysis Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #90

YOU blamed Bill Clinton's apocryphal "undercutting" of Al Gore, lapucelle Nov 2019 #91

From day one of Bill Clinton's first term he was under attack for alleged sexual scandals, Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #92

YOUR post puts the primary blame for Gore's defeat squarely on Clinton's shoulders lapucelle Nov 2019 #96

Whether the effort was deliberate or not, Bill Clinton simply didn't care. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #100

YOU wrote that Bill Clinton did nothing but undercut Al Gore's efforts for 8 years. lapucelle Nov 2019 #103

That was the net effect of Bill Clinton's actions and Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #104

YOU wrote that Bill Clinton did "nothing but undercut" Al Gore for 8 years. lapucelle Nov 2019 #107

Yes, that was the net effect of Bill Clinton's actions. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #108

Your claim is that Bill Clinton did "nothing but undercut" Al Gore for 8 years. lapucelle Nov 2019 #109

Obviously you still haven't read the Vanity Fair Article. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #110

Reading the Vanity Fair article did nothing to convince me of any merit to YOUR claim lapucelle Nov 2019 #111

If that didn't, nothing will Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #113

Why anyone here would choose to blame a popular Democratic president lapucelle Nov 2019 #112

Straw men redstateblues Nov 2019 #77

Fucking nader and his TweedleDum & Tweedledee.. and Moore Cha Oct 2019 #17

Right, but it's SO much easier to blame Clinton with no proof whatsoever. Hillary forgave him... George II Oct 2019 #18

Hillary wasn't running for President of the United States in 2000. Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #21

Hillary Clinton was MARRIED to Bill Clinton in 2000, and still is.... George II Oct 2019 #33

She was also married to Bill in 92 when these stories came out, Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #36

Do you ever say anything POSITIVE about any DEMOCRATS? George II Oct 2019 #39

In a word... sheshe2 Oct 2019 #45

Al Gore, haven't you been paying attention? Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #46

Better Believe It! MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #70

Ding! MH1 Nov 2019 #101

See post #46 Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #102

Not just history Dem4Life1102 Nov 2019 #69

You just disproved your claim that Bill Clinton was the reason Gore lost.... George II Nov 2019 #71

1992 was light years from 2000, while Al was well known nationally Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #81

There is NO such thing as a safe blue seat. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #40

New York was/is certainly safer than Tennessee and a host of other states. Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #44

Joe. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #51

That was earth shaking when republican Scott Brown won Ted Kennedy's "safe" Senate seat. George II Oct 2019 #53

It was. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #55

sheshe. Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #54

Ummmhmmm sheshe2 Oct 2019 #59

NY had a Republican senator from 1981-1999 and a Republican governor from 1995-2006. N/T lapucelle Nov 2019 #93

See post #54. n/t Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #94

That doesn't help make your case. I live in NY. lapucelle Nov 2019 #97

Perhaps if Gore had used Pres Clinton in his Cha Oct 2019 #22

In moderate to conservative states, Bill was toxic at that point and with Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #26

Which "moderate states" did Al Gore lose? I don't see any. So now Bill Clinton is responsible... George II Oct 2019 #41

Agreed. TwilightZone Oct 2019 #49

It's ridiculous to blame President Cha Oct 2019 #57

Bernie Sanders interviews Al Gore Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #19

Interesting! Thanks for posting this gem, Uncle Joe. JudyM Oct 2019 #56

Is that Julian Assange in one of your photos? George II Oct 2019 #27

Moore & and his good buddy, ASSange.. Cha Oct 2019 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author NNadir Oct 2019 #10

Really? The people who said Gore was the same as Bush had nothing to do with it? NNadir Oct 2019 #12

Al Gore was and is a Democrat. Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #15

Thanks for the distraction, but I was talking about Michael Moore. Michael Moore endorsed... NNadir Nov 2019 #63

... Cha Nov 2019 #64

It's unbelievable that there are still apologists for Nader whose narcissism gave us Bush redstateblues Nov 2019 #76

Yeah, it is.. a huge problem. Cha Nov 2019 #84

Moore told voters right before the 2000 election that Gore was "the lesser of two evils". lapucelle Nov 2019 #98

Brilliant!!! still_one Nov 2019 #66

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Me. Nov 2019 #72

++++1000! ehrnst Nov 2019 #82

"Distraction?" You replied to my post #4 and I answered it. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #83

Bush "won" Florida by about 600 votes, Nader got 98,000 votes in Florida. George II Nov 2019 #85

It's really depressing how many issues people address with a mindless, singular catch all phrase. NNadir Nov 2019 #95

Exxon Knew about Climate Change almost 40 years ago Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #99

Nader denialism lives. Amazing that some still cling to the idea that redstateblues Oct 2019 #13

Corporate media conglomerate and big money denialism is more like it. n/t Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #16

Straw men that Nader fans like to blame. Who can forget Nader's slogan redstateblues Oct 2019 #35

I wasn't a Nader fan, I supported Al Gore but if you read my other posts Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #37

Bill Clinton is responsible for the Iraq war? OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #43

Actually Dem4Life1102 Nov 2019 #68

He supported Clinton against Trump, too. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2019 #74

There is no one cause for these two events that led... NNadir Nov 2019 #80

Who cares... nt DURHAM D Oct 2019 #3

You, enough to respond. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2019 #7

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Skittles Oct 2019 #5

Yay Beringia Oct 2019 #6

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2019 #8

There are so many "celebrities " that I wish would just go away. Funtatlaguy Oct 2019 #14

That's fine .. obnoxiousdrunk Oct 2019 #20

He also endorsed Ralph Nader, and predicted both McCain and Romeny would win still_one Oct 2019 #23

Yeah, & MM said "..all President Obama would be known Cha Oct 2019 #47

Somehow, this sounds strangely familiar... beastie boy Oct 2019 #24

Thanks for the heads-up beastie boy. Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #28

Good do hear from you, Uncle! beastie boy Oct 2019 #29

Once upon a time ... NanceGreggs Oct 2019 #52

"I know where I came from." myohmy2 Oct 2019 #58

Sounds like MM endorses BS because he got arrested once in college for protesting. betsuni Oct 2019 #60

terrible news evertonfc Nov 2019 #61

Who cares? Gothmog Nov 2019 #62

K&R RandiFan1290 Nov 2019 #65

How precious! NurseJackie Nov 2019 #67

This is troubling for Bernie. Disqualifying. I'm concerned. LanternWaste Nov 2019 #75

He's entitled to do whether he wants. I don't care. I'm still going to do what I'm going to do,... SWBTATTReg Nov 2019 #78

Okay. LovingA2andMI Nov 2019 #79

Another huge endorsement for Bernie. Joe941 Nov 2019 #86

Yes he has Joe. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #106

Well that figures cmeneer Nov 2019 #105