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KPN

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47. It is a disaster ... and exactly why MFA makes good sense.

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:12 PM

Nov 2019

While you can choose to simply call it a disaster, it’s a reality and ignoring these costs (which are going to happen with or without MFA) would be an even huger disaster. The national annual nationwide cost for health care in 2017 was $3.5 trillion and is projected to grow at an annual rate of 5.5+ percent and ballon to over $6 trillion annually in just the next 8 years (by 2027).

So ... you can choose to torpedo Warren’s proposal right out the chute with a knee jerk reaction and personal anecdotal information from a relatively microscopic scale, or you can choose fact-based reality and provide a different solution for this disaster. The numbers are readily available. Look them up.

By the way, the numbers above don’t include the costs that aren’t incurred by the millions who choose not to get health care today because they can’t afford it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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No Mondale moment: Elizabeth Warren releases her plan to finance 'Medicare for All' [View all] BeyondGeography Nov 2019 OP

OMG this is a disaster. 5+ TRILLION a yr? The current full US budget is less than that. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #1

Actually, this is a disaster BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #3

And it doesnt add up to nearly 5 TRILLION dollars a yr either. Good luck winning with that. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #4

It's a fact that health care is creeping up on 20% of GDP BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #11

When I was working my individual coverage was under $2,000, and when I went on my wife's.... George II Nov 2019 #12

Kaisers numbers include the employer contribution. crazytown Nov 2019 #16

I had "Cadillac" insurance through my Union, but have friends and family who pay thousands per month Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #27

I think Kaiser would have a firm grip on what the numbers are, crazytown Nov 2019 #13

My wife & I are paying close to $16k/yr for a decent silver plan. CaptainTruth Nov 2019 #19

My Florida plan as a single is $9,500 per year for a silver level plan. Blue_true Nov 2019 #64

Plus what the employer pays SLClarke Nov 2019 #44

It is a disaster ... and exactly why MFA makes good sense. KPN Nov 2019 #47

This is not accurate, the average family doesn't pay 20k in HCI uponit7771 Nov 2019 #22

As crazytown has pointed out, this is what the plans cost BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #24

Then its still inaccurate, the average company isn't putting half of 20,000 into HCI payments ... uponit7771 Nov 2019 #26

You can't separate premiums from deductibles and copays Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #28

Still not 20,000 per family, I'll believe this claim when the company part of 20k is sourced. uponit7771 Nov 2019 #30

Here is the link to the survey NewJeffCT Nov 2019 #40

That is not the median its an average which includes the NFL commissioners ungodly HCI plan uponit7771 Nov 2019 #50

middle class sofarfrome Nov 2019 #33

Thanks, and welcome. elleng Nov 2019 #45

So if we spend 18% of GDP now, why is this plan going to spend 20+%? oldsoftie Nov 2019 #65

If we keep things as is it goes that high by 2026 BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #66

By 2026, this plans costs wouldnt rise? Of course they would. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #67

My family pays close to that. SomewhereInTheMiddle Nov 2019 #56

"average" is the key word and not all families have more than 2 people in it. uponit7771 Nov 2019 #74

I was recently offered a job ProfessorPlum Nov 2019 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Nov 2019 #71

Americans don't vote based on cost of plans. Turin_C3PO Nov 2019 #8

Thanks, and we shouldn't vote 'based on cost of plans,' elleng Nov 2019 #46

But they may vote based on them thinking they're going to lose what they already LIKE oldsoftie Nov 2019 #55

There is NO increase in the amount being spent on health care. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #10

A recap of what we've seen over the last few days with these "plans"... George II Nov 2019 #14

I don't see your point. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #20

perhaps you missed something sofarfrome Nov 2019 #25

How will people receive an additional $12k in take home pay? MichMan Nov 2019 #34

Uhh... wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #48

No, it's a distraction for fools. If other nations can afford national Hortensis Nov 2019 #51

And has this thread was being opened the media is now attacking this plan................ turbinetree Nov 2019 #2

This is a disaster and will cost us the general if she is the candidate...but I honestly think that Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #6

I don't believe the job loss predictions... cannabis_flower Nov 2019 #38

+100 SterlingPound Nov 2019 #32

The details don't matter much, but this does two important things... thesquanderer Nov 2019 #5

Honestly that is just not true...they will poke holes in her plan and use it against her and us. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #7

Every Democrat running will have to defend her many plans...not just this one. Kahuna7 Nov 2019 #9

The "I have a plan for that" is getting overused... George II Nov 2019 #15

I've been saying that from the beginning. Too many plans. Pick... Kahuna7 Nov 2019 #17

$20 trillion? It is going to be a whole lot more than that. dansolo Nov 2019 #18

Good on Warren for releasing this backtoblue Nov 2019 #21

Unnnn, I might change my thinking for Warren if this plan is viable. I've been waiting on her to ... uponit7771 Nov 2019 #23

That's where she's positioned herself now backtoblue Nov 2019 #29

Will be interesting to see how Sanders and Warren reconcile the overall cost. Sanders says $34 T Hoyt Nov 2019 #31

I trust Eiizabeth's numbers more. BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #35

Agree, we must win. Not sure MFA is a winner for us, though, putting us farther away from goal of Hoyt Nov 2019 #43

I don't follow your logic BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #57

If Warren gets nomination and loses general election, we are farther away. Hoyt Nov 2019 #60

Why would Warren lose the BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #69

I will support the Democratic nominee, thank you. She'll lose, especially if trump is out Hoyt Nov 2019 #72

I do not share BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #75

K&R MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #36

Statement from Biden campaign Gothmog Nov 2019 #37

Joe received 2% support from IA voters under 45 in today's NYT/Sienna poll BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #41

It's a paradox to me Midnightwalk Nov 2019 #39

What's with the dis to Mondale? geardaddy Nov 2019 #42

He was too honest and said we need to raise taxes wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #49

This plan just made the perfect graphic for all attack ads against Democrats Baked Potato Nov 2019 #52

So you are advising GOPers now? BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #58

Yeah, because nobody else could figure that out Baked Potato Nov 2019 #62

You would do BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #70

I like Warren. She is one of a few that wnylib Nov 2019 #53

This is a combination of a brilliant cost-shifting plan and one that makes medical care universal andym Nov 2019 #59

Sounds good as you describe it but how wnylib Nov 2019 #63

Glad I took the initiative to plan my life, TRICARE. 😉 Raymond O Nov 2019 #54

"... her plan would keep combined public and private health spending..." OilemFirchen Nov 2019 #61

a nearly $9 trillion payroll tax (or, perhaps, a head tax with some small-business carve outs Gothmog Nov 2019 #68

Exclusive: Economist who backed Warren healthcare plan has doubts about her wealth tax Gothmog Nov 2019 #76