Democratic Primaries

NNadir

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80. There is no one cause for these two events that led...

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:17 PM

Nov 2019

...Republicans rejected by the simple majority of Americans occupying the White House.

There are however, people who worked actively for the outcome; and those who worked actively against it.

What Moore did in 2016 does not excuse 2000, which was to work for the outcome obtained.

The are people who elevate the perfect over the good, albeit with the caveat that their vision of what "perfect" actually is reflects even in the most generous assessment, muddled thinking.

Now, there are many things about Al Gore that do not jive with my personal views. This said, America would have stayed a great country had he prevailed in the election decided by a politicized Supreme Court. Hundreds of thousands of human beings killed in unnecessary warfare would still be alive.

I have no use for Moore, and no use for his smug sarcastic view of decency and justice.

Yes he got to sell books and movie tickets because of the outcome, but this certainly calls into question his view of his own personal nobility.

I think him ethically unappealing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Michael Moore Endorses Bernie Sanders for President [View all] Uncle Joe Oct 2019 OP

WHAT??? I'm stunned. George II Oct 2019 #1

It figures. He has a poor record of endorsing Democrats. NNadir Oct 2019 #2

NOTHING damaged Al Gore's chances more than Bill Clinton Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #4

That's not true at all. Forget Patrick Buchanan/Ralph Nader/Katherine Harris/butterfly ballot? George II Oct 2019 #9

Al has but he does chide the "gatekeepers" aka; corporate media conglomerates. Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #11

So where does he blame Bill Clinton? The premise of your post was it was Clinton's fault. George II Oct 2019 #25

That is the premise of my previous post, I never said Al blamed Bill in that video but Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #30

I lived through that, the LAST thing I would do is blame Bill Clinton for Gore's "loss". George II Oct 2019 #32

I didn't believe you would but on that we're in sharp disagreement although as Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #34

Back in 2000 we didn't have the "corporate media conglomerates" like some think we have today.... George II Oct 2019 #38

1. If you actually listened to Al on that video, he referred to them as the "gatekeepers" and the Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #42

You certainly are consistent in failing to ever provide objective evidence LanternWaste Nov 2019 #73

Blaming Bill Clinton for Gore's loss is laughable. TwilightZone Oct 2019 #48

Bill for all his political skills was poor on substance in not involving the best Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #50

Wait...what? Your post blames Clinton's apocryphal "undercutting" of his vice president lapucelle Nov 2019 #87

I said "in that video." Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #88

YOU blamed Clinton. YOU said "NOTHING damaged Al Gore's chances more than Bill Clinton" lapucelle Nov 2019 #89

That's correct and I just provided you an analysis Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #90

YOU blamed Bill Clinton's apocryphal "undercutting" of Al Gore, lapucelle Nov 2019 #91

From day one of Bill Clinton's first term he was under attack for alleged sexual scandals, Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #92

YOUR post puts the primary blame for Gore's defeat squarely on Clinton's shoulders lapucelle Nov 2019 #96

Whether the effort was deliberate or not, Bill Clinton simply didn't care. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #100

YOU wrote that Bill Clinton did nothing but undercut Al Gore's efforts for 8 years. lapucelle Nov 2019 #103

That was the net effect of Bill Clinton's actions and Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #104

YOU wrote that Bill Clinton did "nothing but undercut" Al Gore for 8 years. lapucelle Nov 2019 #107

Yes, that was the net effect of Bill Clinton's actions. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #108

Your claim is that Bill Clinton did "nothing but undercut" Al Gore for 8 years. lapucelle Nov 2019 #109

Obviously you still haven't read the Vanity Fair Article. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #110

Reading the Vanity Fair article did nothing to convince me of any merit to YOUR claim lapucelle Nov 2019 #111

If that didn't, nothing will Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #113

Why anyone here would choose to blame a popular Democratic president lapucelle Nov 2019 #112

Straw men redstateblues Nov 2019 #77

Fucking nader and his TweedleDum & Tweedledee.. and Moore Cha Oct 2019 #17

Right, but it's SO much easier to blame Clinton with no proof whatsoever. Hillary forgave him... George II Oct 2019 #18

Hillary wasn't running for President of the United States in 2000. Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #21

Hillary Clinton was MARRIED to Bill Clinton in 2000, and still is.... George II Oct 2019 #33

She was also married to Bill in 92 when these stories came out, Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #36

Do you ever say anything POSITIVE about any DEMOCRATS? George II Oct 2019 #39

In a word... sheshe2 Oct 2019 #45

Al Gore, haven't you been paying attention? Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #46

Better Believe It! MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #70

Ding! MH1 Nov 2019 #101

See post #46 Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #102

Not just history Dem4Life1102 Nov 2019 #69

You just disproved your claim that Bill Clinton was the reason Gore lost.... George II Nov 2019 #71

1992 was light years from 2000, while Al was well known nationally Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #81

There is NO such thing as a safe blue seat. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #40

New York was/is certainly safer than Tennessee and a host of other states. Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #44

Joe. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #51

That was earth shaking when republican Scott Brown won Ted Kennedy's "safe" Senate seat. George II Oct 2019 #53

It was. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #55

sheshe. Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #54

Ummmhmmm sheshe2 Oct 2019 #59

NY had a Republican senator from 1981-1999 and a Republican governor from 1995-2006. N/T lapucelle Nov 2019 #93

See post #54. n/t Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #94

That doesn't help make your case. I live in NY. lapucelle Nov 2019 #97

Perhaps if Gore had used Pres Clinton in his Cha Oct 2019 #22

In moderate to conservative states, Bill was toxic at that point and with Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #26

Which "moderate states" did Al Gore lose? I don't see any. So now Bill Clinton is responsible... George II Oct 2019 #41

Agreed. TwilightZone Oct 2019 #49

It's ridiculous to blame President Cha Oct 2019 #57

Bernie Sanders interviews Al Gore Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #19

Interesting! Thanks for posting this gem, Uncle Joe. JudyM Oct 2019 #56

Is that Julian Assange in one of your photos? George II Oct 2019 #27

Moore & and his good buddy, ASSange.. Cha Oct 2019 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author NNadir Oct 2019 #10

Really? The people who said Gore was the same as Bush had nothing to do with it? NNadir Oct 2019 #12

Al Gore was and is a Democrat. Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #15

Thanks for the distraction, but I was talking about Michael Moore. Michael Moore endorsed... NNadir Nov 2019 #63

... Cha Nov 2019 #64

It's unbelievable that there are still apologists for Nader whose narcissism gave us Bush redstateblues Nov 2019 #76

Yeah, it is.. a huge problem. Cha Nov 2019 #84

Moore told voters right before the 2000 election that Gore was "the lesser of two evils". lapucelle Nov 2019 #98

Brilliant!!! still_one Nov 2019 #66

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Me. Nov 2019 #72

++++1000! ehrnst Nov 2019 #82

"Distraction?" You replied to my post #4 and I answered it. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #83

Bush "won" Florida by about 600 votes, Nader got 98,000 votes in Florida. George II Nov 2019 #85

It's really depressing how many issues people address with a mindless, singular catch all phrase. NNadir Nov 2019 #95

Exxon Knew about Climate Change almost 40 years ago Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #99

Nader denialism lives. Amazing that some still cling to the idea that redstateblues Oct 2019 #13

Corporate media conglomerate and big money denialism is more like it. n/t Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #16

Straw men that Nader fans like to blame. Who can forget Nader's slogan redstateblues Oct 2019 #35

I wasn't a Nader fan, I supported Al Gore but if you read my other posts Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #37

Bill Clinton is responsible for the Iraq war? OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #43

Actually Dem4Life1102 Nov 2019 #68

He supported Clinton against Trump, too. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2019 #74

There is no one cause for these two events that led... NNadir Nov 2019 #80

Who cares... nt DURHAM D Oct 2019 #3

You, enough to respond. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2019 #7

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Skittles Oct 2019 #5

Yay Beringia Oct 2019 #6

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2019 #8

There are so many "celebrities " that I wish would just go away. Funtatlaguy Oct 2019 #14

That's fine .. obnoxiousdrunk Oct 2019 #20

He also endorsed Ralph Nader, and predicted both McCain and Romeny would win still_one Oct 2019 #23

Yeah, & MM said "..all President Obama would be known Cha Oct 2019 #47

Somehow, this sounds strangely familiar... beastie boy Oct 2019 #24

Thanks for the heads-up beastie boy. Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #28

Good do hear from you, Uncle! beastie boy Oct 2019 #29

Once upon a time ... NanceGreggs Oct 2019 #52

"I know where I came from." myohmy2 Oct 2019 #58

Sounds like MM endorses BS because he got arrested once in college for protesting. betsuni Oct 2019 #60

terrible news evertonfc Nov 2019 #61

Who cares? Gothmog Nov 2019 #62

K&R RandiFan1290 Nov 2019 #65

How precious! NurseJackie Nov 2019 #67

This is troubling for Bernie. Disqualifying. I'm concerned. LanternWaste Nov 2019 #75

He's entitled to do whether he wants. I don't care. I'm still going to do what I'm going to do,... SWBTATTReg Nov 2019 #78

Okay. LovingA2andMI Nov 2019 #79

Another huge endorsement for Bernie. Joe941 Nov 2019 #86

Yes he has Joe. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #106

Well that figures cmeneer Nov 2019 #105