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BeyondGeography

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11. Biden, Buttigieg and others have 'splainin' to do too
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 06:04 PM
Nov 2019
But in releasing her proposal, Warren has thrown down the gauntlet before the other candidates — who support Medicare for All Who Want It or some other type of public option — to be a whole lot clearer about what they mean.

Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, et al.: Does your public option — a government insurance policy that anyone may buy — resemble Mr. Sanders’s enhanced Medicare, or current Medicare or Medicaid, which is far more bare bones?

Voters need to know.

There’s another obvious reason the candidates have been so close lipped on specifics: To calculate how to pay for any of the plans, the candidates have to say how they intend to bring down prices — for hospital stays, drugs, procedures, devices, doctors’ visits, surgeries. Americans often pay two to 10 times what patients pay for these items in other developed countries.

Those prices will have to come down to make any plan viable without breaking the bank. To really assess any plan, we’ll need that kind of information.

Ms. Warren has courageously stepped into that fraught territory, with numbers that have very likely sent shock waves through the health care industry...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/opinion/warren-medicare-for-all.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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"I thought this was Sanders' MFA?" - no comment. George II Nov 2019 #1
but Bernie's MFA will be magical Fresh_Start Nov 2019 #2
Both plans are heralded by gold unicorns farting glitter. wasupaloopa Nov 2019 #10
This is the most delightfully vivid description of MfA I've ever heard! beastie boy Nov 2019 #29
Damn, that's a visual! George II Nov 2019 #57
And, they wonder why Cha Nov 2019 #34
Not even a short one? Cha Nov 2019 #3
Well in a way why should he SterlingPound Nov 2019 #6
The "gop" is a low bar.. this is the Democractic Cha Nov 2019 #8
Perfect answer! OldRed2450 Nov 2019 #16
Mahalo, OldRed! Cha Nov 2019 #23
We say that SterlingPound Nov 2019 #40
We need to know what's going on. Cha Nov 2019 #70
Our candidates are not running against the republicans yet, they're running for the privilege of... George II Nov 2019 #28
Wealth tax on billionaires is what was proposed SterlingPound Nov 2019 #42
But she also intends to raise the capital gains tax on less than billionaires, too. George II Nov 2019 #45
"her plan relies increased revinue comprehensive immigration reform AND cracking down on tax fraud" SterlingPound Nov 2019 #46
The big thing, though, is that she says "no new taxes on the middle class", but there WILL be... George II Nov 2019 #55
Well anyone who believes that SterlingPound Nov 2019 #58
If "..no new taxes on the middle class.." Cha Nov 2019 #74
Yes there will. Cha Nov 2019 #71
I didn't understand that comment when he made it. Does he, or anyone else, really expect people.... George II Nov 2019 #25
Who knows what his Cha Nov 2019 #30
... mcar Nov 2019 #4
.. Cha Nov 2019 #73
Your turn on the whole cost/revenue issue, Bernie BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #5
Exactly, he's criticizing Warren's funding proposal but he doesn't have one yet? George II Nov 2019 #26
Because of course he is.. Cha Nov 2019 #78
At least Senator Warren is far more detailed where the money is coming from, Bernie MFA is far still_one Nov 2019 #7
Yeah, amazing that BS is Cha Nov 2019 #17
Vague is being nice. George II Nov 2019 #27
+1 Cha Nov 2019 #75
This is good news for the BIDEN campaign. I suggest we stay out the way and let them duke underthematrix Nov 2019 #9
Biden, Buttigieg and others have 'splainin' to do too BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #11
I always understood the PUBLIC OPTION was just another underthematrix Nov 2019 #14
That might be true if people liked M4A...but it is not popular. And since a public option was Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #49
Who knew Sanders would have Cha Nov 2019 #19
Me. Myself. I. crazytown Nov 2019 #43
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Biden puts the screws on Bernie crazytown Nov 2019 #54
There's this.. Cha Nov 2019 #22
Aren't they pretty much the same? The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #12
Bernie conceded taxes for Middle Class will go up to finance MFA ritapria Nov 2019 #15
She misspoke BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #20
Thank you for the clarification ritapria Nov 2019 #21
Boy, am I confused mcar Nov 2019 #13
Right.. and I don't think being Cha Nov 2019 #35
Kick and Recommend! peggysue2 Nov 2019 #18
Yes, it is.. so.. Cha Nov 2019 #33
Immigration reform? OldRed2450 Nov 2019 #24
He's already on record as being against increased immigration, "taking jobs from Americans." George II Nov 2019 #56
WTF? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2019 #31
Think what Sanders is specifically talking about is Warren's Medicare Head Tax peggysue2 Nov 2019 #32
Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's most progressive of them all? betsuni Nov 2019 #36
The battle of the most Cha Nov 2019 #39
I wonder what Warren thinks about all this. betsuni Nov 2019 #53
I agree... Cha Nov 2019 #60
It will not turn out well. betsuni Nov 2019 #64
Biden: 'I have the most progressive record of anybody running ... anybody who would run' Celerity Nov 2019 #41
This is a blow to EW. Joe941 Nov 2019 #37
and a self-inflicted fairly large wound to Bernie Celerity Nov 2019 #44
K&R! highplainsdem Nov 2019 #38
Thank you, Cha Nov 2019 #50
K&R!!!!!! Peacetrain Nov 2019 #48
He Makes My Head Hurt Me. Nov 2019 #51
Seems he's just Cha Nov 2019 #61
OT: I'd Freak Me. Nov 2019 #62
LOL Thank You.. I Did! Cha Nov 2019 #63
Not sure how many times he has to show some people before it sets in. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #52
Yep. His cause is himself. kcr Nov 2019 #66
Doesn't have to show Cha Nov 2019 #68
Me neither. I'm well read on his life. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #69
Bernie Has Been Screaming for M4A for All These Years And Had No Clue How to Pay For It. Indykatie Nov 2019 #59
Cha, Sanders is talking about Warren's plan for FUNDING MFA -- see this article: highplainsdem Nov 2019 #65
... BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #67
Sometimes Bernie engages in magical thinking. nt. BlueIdaho Nov 2019 #72
lol PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #76
Would not be shocked if he ended up endorsing tulsi gabbard lostnfound Nov 2019 #77
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