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49. Back the horse up BannonsLiver, we can only elect people to represent us from those who live in Iowa

Tue Nov 5, 2019, 02:22 PM

Nov 2019

We cannot elect someone from NJ.. etc etc etc.. Now you are right about one thing.. our Democrats who are activists are much further to the left than just a about any state, and so they do not represent Democratic Iowans in general. But the activists can utilize the caucus system, they have tremendous power. We move the party left.. probably too far left ...So it is an out sized representation of the farther left and it is not a true picture of who will vote in the general from the state of Iowa. The upside, it gives candidates who would not have a chance in another state.. a hearing of what they want to do

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The white privilege of Iowa and New Hampshire [View all] Stuy Nov 2019 OP

Rural whites have appointed themselves gatekeepers of our political system. dalton99a Nov 2019 #1

You got that right BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #29

Rural white checking in: ramen Nov 2019 #59

in some ways I wish I lived there LeftTurn3623 Nov 2019 #65

This isn't about YOU personally. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #96

I think both will start to lose their outsized influence as people eyes are opened. Dream Girl Nov 2019 #2

I don't think it will have the same impact this year and even less in years to come. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #8

Even on the repug side, didn't that loon Michelle Backman win Iowa? brush Nov 2019 #47

She did...she I looked it up Bachman won Iowa...dear God no more Iowa. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #48

I wish the candidate would quit going to every cow pie chucking contest in Iowa. 33taw Nov 2019 #3

Amen exboyfil Nov 2019 #4

When you "group" Primary States, you shift the race to a TV campaign... brooklynite Nov 2019 #12

In a country where you represent 330 million people exboyfil Nov 2019 #16

The option you have is what we do today... brooklynite Nov 2019 #19

Iowa is almost the middle when it comes to population. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #89

It's increasingly been a Reality TV Campaign since the beginning MarcA Nov 2019 #64

The party unfortunately can't make Iowa and NH change their dates. brush Nov 2019 #52

Where do you live in Wisconsin? Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #21

About 25 miles from Stevens Point. 33taw Nov 2019 #26

I bet. You are a couple of hours from Janesville as I recall...which is a city in name only. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #33

I am familiar with Janesville. I actually grew up just north of Milwaukee. 33taw Nov 2019 #46

We loved Janesville...although the winter was a shock...I was told that it rarely snowed...too cold. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #51

Obama's win in Iowa in 2008 gave him a boost that Hillary & Edwards couldn't overcome Kaleva Nov 2019 #5

Also, Clinton finished 4th in Iowa Renew Deal Nov 2019 #7

2008 Iowa Caucus Results (Dukakis ran in 1988) aggiesal Nov 2019 #57

Exactly. Obama disproved SO many things like this. But some have to keep pushing it. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #9

False. Obama would have gotten even more delegates Stuy Nov 2019 #13

That has nothing to do with the premise of this OP. Its total bullshit. Iowa has little power. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #24

Thank you!! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #30

Thank you.. whathehell Nov 2019 #41

One black person overcoming the odds does NOT disprove the existence of racism StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #91

Nobody said racism no longer exists. Just that this article is ridiculous. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #109

Obama would have won by a larger margin in SC, if SC went first Stuy Nov 2019 #11

Without winning Iowa, Obama might not have Kaleva Nov 2019 #34

true. but essentially meaningless stopdiggin Nov 2019 #58

Things have changed since Obama. The voters we need are not in Iowa...and they do not resemble the Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #22

Are you unhappy with the results of the last 3 primaries and caucuses held in NH and Iowa? Kaleva Nov 2019 #35

I don't even remember who won...which shows how insignificant it is ...I am unhappy with the number Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #38

And the media really did a number on us during that campaign ... aggiesal Nov 2019 #54

Do you recall that Florida and Michigan lost their delegates in 2008...would Pres. Obama have won if Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #55

Wouldn't the publicity of winning any "first" state boost votes and PR? Renew Deal Nov 2019 #6

True that...and it is essential given our party's diversity that we include AA voters in any first Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #23

Someone is always going to have an undue influence Renew Deal Nov 2019 #39

Pick a smaller state like North Carolina...which has diversity then...but that is no excuse to shut Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #45

Not sure why you're calling NC a "smaller state." cwydro Nov 2019 #115

True, but it always seems to be the same people - the white ones - who are allowed to have StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #93

The only way to do it is to have groups of states vote first Renew Deal Nov 2019 #110

There are small states that resemble the Democratic Party more than Iowa...and as another Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #100

Should SC remain in the first 4? Renew Deal Nov 2019 #111

No caucus state should be first...they are undemocratic and don't even measure the full vote. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #113

Are you OK with them going first if they have a primary? Renew Deal Nov 2019 #116

I still think we could choose a better state to reflect our diversity...but it would be better. At Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #123

I'm quite sure if the first two primaries were in states with a large black and urban population StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #92

It doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. States that influence the nomination process the most should Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #99

I agree with you StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #105

Who should go first? Renew Deal Nov 2019 #117

Since people of color have "gone first" for centuries, let's let white folks go first this time StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #118

The problem with having discussions like this Renew Deal Nov 2019 #120

You didn't ask me for a solution for fixing the process. You asked who should go first StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #121

I hear this complaint every Election cycle... brooklynite Nov 2019 #10

You didn't mention Georgia, Michigan or Nevada Stuy Nov 2019 #14

+1 dalton99a Nov 2019 #15

Nevada is part of the first four... brooklynite Nov 2019 #20

Iowa and New Hampshire only matter because we let them. Perhaps this will be the year this Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #25

Thank you!! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #31

Biden voters are loyal. I doubt either New Hampshire or Iowa will sway them. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #36

So here's the problem ... aggiesal Nov 2019 #67

The 2008 CA primary was early. February tishaLA Nov 2019 #78

I thought it was early in 2008 as well ... aggiesal Nov 2019 #79

OK so wikipedia actually shows ... aggiesal Nov 2019 #80

California early voting begins on the day of the Iowa Caucus... brooklynite Nov 2019 #82

But they are not counted until June ... aggiesal Nov 2019 #85

The Presidential Primary is March 3rd. brooklynite Nov 2019 #88

Cool, I thought it was still in June n/t aggiesal Nov 2019 #95

Yes. cwydro Nov 2019 #108

Iowa Democrats are pretty damn diversified. Piss freely on Iowa GOP but watch your aim. IADEMO2004 Nov 2019 #17

I'm sorry, but no Stuy Nov 2019 #18

Iowa no longer represents our party in terms of diversity. We are ignoring a huge part of our Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #27

Which state does? progressoid Nov 2019 #60

There are other states that are diverse...North Carolina for example and Georgia...you show Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #73

Top 10: California. Texas. Hawaii. New Jersey. New York. New Mexico. Maryland. Florida. progressoid Nov 2019 #83

Black women gave us the midterms in places like Virginia...I am talking about including a vital part Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #86

Perhaps the answer is to run some states together in the beginning...like a mini super Tuesday... Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #87

Sure. progressoid Nov 2019 #97

Actually that is not true. I work for the campaign...he received much support after that was Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #98

Great. progressoid Nov 2019 #101

I think the first states are important but shouldn't be the be all end all...consider that Bill Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #102

Iowa is also a media market where Bettie Nov 2019 #28

I think you're confusing hate for a state with contempt for the system BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #32

Iowa Democrats are representative of the Iowa part of our party. IADEMO2004 Nov 2019 #40

I have no idea how many and I'm not sure I take your point anyway. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #43

Back the horse up BannonsLiver, we can only elect people to represent us from those who live in Iowa Peacetrain Nov 2019 #49

+1 progressoid Nov 2019 #44

I won't switch... Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #53

That doesn't matter if we field candidates that can't win a general which happens more often than Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #37

These are the Demographics of Iowa: Sloumeau Nov 2019 #114

Iowa and Iowa Democratic Party are not the same. I've seen Demographics of Iowa posted 1000X. IADEMO2004 Nov 2019 #119

Why do the other 48 states put up with it? Snake Plissken Nov 2019 #42

I actually think that the election days are set in many state laws. 33taw Nov 2019 #50

National Dem Party can refuse to seat delegates from calendar jumping states. IADEMO2004 Nov 2019 #61

and having a single day primary stopdiggin Nov 2019 #63

I am not sure about all states, but many Stateswith primaries pay the costs of elections. 33taw Nov 2019 #69

Florida and Michigan tried to change the primary order and lost their delegates in 2008...the DNC Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #74

So which state should we start in? progressoid Nov 2019 #56

Well now you did it. LOL IADEMO2004 Nov 2019 #62

... progressoid Nov 2019 #84

so what we need is a diverse state(s) with very low population stopdiggin Nov 2019 #66

Now THAT I would like to see. progressoid Nov 2019 #70

bush plane and mukluks stopdiggin Nov 2019 #71

In January! progressoid Nov 2019 #72

What about Georgia or North Carolina? And Bill Clinton lost both Iowa and New Hampshire. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #75

Iowa, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #94

Eventually a wealth backed Independent will win the Presidency MarcA Nov 2019 #68

I hope not...one has only to look at the UK to see how once you end a two party system...you Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #76

SCOTUS A gift that keeps on giving. Citizens United IADEMO2004 Nov 2019 #103

I have some issues here LeftTurn3623 Nov 2019 #77

It is institutional racism whether by intent or by tradition to continue to allow a small white Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #104

And that institutional racism is enabled when people say, in response to it being identified, "but StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #124

Exactly...no system can be perfect but almost any solution I suggested would be better than what we Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #125

Gotta start somewhere. Does it really matter where? TCJ70 Nov 2019 #81

"This is what institutional racism looks like." Thank you StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #90

IA and NH Having the Power to Wean the Democratic Field Is A Sore Spot For Many Dems. n/t Indykatie Nov 2019 #106

Dems should replace IA and NH with states that resemble the nation and the party. LonePirate Nov 2019 #107

Not sure why the last paragraph calls out this party. redqueen Nov 2019 #112

I've been saying to get rid of Iowa+New Hampshire on this forum Blue_Tires Nov 2019 #122

Caucuses place the the disabled community at a disadvantage, too. Politicub Nov 2019 #126

From Larry Sabato Gothmog Nov 2019 #127