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Renew Deal

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117. Who should go first?

Reply to StarfishSaver (Reply #105)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:52 AM

Nov 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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The white privilege of Iowa and New Hampshire [View all] Stuy Nov 2019 OP

Rural whites have appointed themselves gatekeepers of our political system. dalton99a Nov 2019 #1

You got that right BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #29

Rural white checking in: ramen Nov 2019 #59

in some ways I wish I lived there LeftTurn3623 Nov 2019 #65

This isn't about YOU personally. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #96

I think both will start to lose their outsized influence as people eyes are opened. Dream Girl Nov 2019 #2

I don't think it will have the same impact this year and even less in years to come. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #8

Even on the repug side, didn't that loon Michelle Backman win Iowa? brush Nov 2019 #47

She did...she I looked it up Bachman won Iowa...dear God no more Iowa. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #48

I wish the candidate would quit going to every cow pie chucking contest in Iowa. 33taw Nov 2019 #3

Amen exboyfil Nov 2019 #4

When you "group" Primary States, you shift the race to a TV campaign... brooklynite Nov 2019 #12

In a country where you represent 330 million people exboyfil Nov 2019 #16

The option you have is what we do today... brooklynite Nov 2019 #19

Iowa is almost the middle when it comes to population. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #89

It's increasingly been a Reality TV Campaign since the beginning MarcA Nov 2019 #64

The party unfortunately can't make Iowa and NH change their dates. brush Nov 2019 #52

Where do you live in Wisconsin? Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #21

About 25 miles from Stevens Point. 33taw Nov 2019 #26

I bet. You are a couple of hours from Janesville as I recall...which is a city in name only. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #33

I am familiar with Janesville. I actually grew up just north of Milwaukee. 33taw Nov 2019 #46

We loved Janesville...although the winter was a shock...I was told that it rarely snowed...too cold. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #51

Obama's win in Iowa in 2008 gave him a boost that Hillary & Edwards couldn't overcome Kaleva Nov 2019 #5

Also, Clinton finished 4th in Iowa Renew Deal Nov 2019 #7

2008 Iowa Caucus Results (Dukakis ran in 1988) aggiesal Nov 2019 #57

Exactly. Obama disproved SO many things like this. But some have to keep pushing it. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #9

False. Obama would have gotten even more delegates Stuy Nov 2019 #13

That has nothing to do with the premise of this OP. Its total bullshit. Iowa has little power. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #24

Thank you!! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #30

Thank you.. whathehell Nov 2019 #41

One black person overcoming the odds does NOT disprove the existence of racism StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #91

Nobody said racism no longer exists. Just that this article is ridiculous. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #109

Obama would have won by a larger margin in SC, if SC went first Stuy Nov 2019 #11

Without winning Iowa, Obama might not have Kaleva Nov 2019 #34

true. but essentially meaningless stopdiggin Nov 2019 #58

Things have changed since Obama. The voters we need are not in Iowa...and they do not resemble the Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #22

Are you unhappy with the results of the last 3 primaries and caucuses held in NH and Iowa? Kaleva Nov 2019 #35

I don't even remember who won...which shows how insignificant it is ...I am unhappy with the number Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #38

And the media really did a number on us during that campaign ... aggiesal Nov 2019 #54

Do you recall that Florida and Michigan lost their delegates in 2008...would Pres. Obama have won if Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #55

Wouldn't the publicity of winning any "first" state boost votes and PR? Renew Deal Nov 2019 #6

True that...and it is essential given our party's diversity that we include AA voters in any first Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #23

Someone is always going to have an undue influence Renew Deal Nov 2019 #39

Pick a smaller state like North Carolina...which has diversity then...but that is no excuse to shut Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #45

Not sure why you're calling NC a "smaller state." cwydro Nov 2019 #115

True, but it always seems to be the same people - the white ones - who are allowed to have StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #93

The only way to do it is to have groups of states vote first Renew Deal Nov 2019 #110

There are small states that resemble the Democratic Party more than Iowa...and as another Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #100

Should SC remain in the first 4? Renew Deal Nov 2019 #111

No caucus state should be first...they are undemocratic and don't even measure the full vote. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #113

Are you OK with them going first if they have a primary? Renew Deal Nov 2019 #116

I still think we could choose a better state to reflect our diversity...but it would be better. At Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #123

I'm quite sure if the first two primaries were in states with a large black and urban population StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #92

It doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. States that influence the nomination process the most should Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #99

I agree with you StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #105

Who should go first? Renew Deal Nov 2019 #117

Since people of color have "gone first" for centuries, let's let white folks go first this time StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #118

The problem with having discussions like this Renew Deal Nov 2019 #120

You didn't ask me for a solution for fixing the process. You asked who should go first StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #121

I hear this complaint every Election cycle... brooklynite Nov 2019 #10

You didn't mention Georgia, Michigan or Nevada Stuy Nov 2019 #14

+1 dalton99a Nov 2019 #15

Nevada is part of the first four... brooklynite Nov 2019 #20

Iowa and New Hampshire only matter because we let them. Perhaps this will be the year this Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #25

Thank you!! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #31

Biden voters are loyal. I doubt either New Hampshire or Iowa will sway them. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #36

So here's the problem ... aggiesal Nov 2019 #67

The 2008 CA primary was early. February tishaLA Nov 2019 #78

I thought it was early in 2008 as well ... aggiesal Nov 2019 #79

OK so wikipedia actually shows ... aggiesal Nov 2019 #80

California early voting begins on the day of the Iowa Caucus... brooklynite Nov 2019 #82

But they are not counted until June ... aggiesal Nov 2019 #85

The Presidential Primary is March 3rd. brooklynite Nov 2019 #88

Cool, I thought it was still in June n/t aggiesal Nov 2019 #95

Yes. cwydro Nov 2019 #108

Iowa Democrats are pretty damn diversified. Piss freely on Iowa GOP but watch your aim. IADEMO2004 Nov 2019 #17

I'm sorry, but no Stuy Nov 2019 #18

Iowa no longer represents our party in terms of diversity. We are ignoring a huge part of our Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #27

Which state does? progressoid Nov 2019 #60

There are other states that are diverse...North Carolina for example and Georgia...you show Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #73

Top 10: California. Texas. Hawaii. New Jersey. New York. New Mexico. Maryland. Florida. progressoid Nov 2019 #83

Black women gave us the midterms in places like Virginia...I am talking about including a vital part Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #86

Perhaps the answer is to run some states together in the beginning...like a mini super Tuesday... Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #87

Sure. progressoid Nov 2019 #97

Actually that is not true. I work for the campaign...he received much support after that was Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #98

Great. progressoid Nov 2019 #101

I think the first states are important but shouldn't be the be all end all...consider that Bill Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #102

Iowa is also a media market where Bettie Nov 2019 #28

I think you're confusing hate for a state with contempt for the system BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #32

Iowa Democrats are representative of the Iowa part of our party. IADEMO2004 Nov 2019 #40

I have no idea how many and I'm not sure I take your point anyway. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #43

Back the horse up BannonsLiver, we can only elect people to represent us from those who live in Iowa Peacetrain Nov 2019 #49

+1 progressoid Nov 2019 #44

I won't switch... Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #53

That doesn't matter if we field candidates that can't win a general which happens more often than Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #37

These are the Demographics of Iowa: Sloumeau Nov 2019 #114

Iowa and Iowa Democratic Party are not the same. I've seen Demographics of Iowa posted 1000X. IADEMO2004 Nov 2019 #119

Why do the other 48 states put up with it? Snake Plissken Nov 2019 #42

I actually think that the election days are set in many state laws. 33taw Nov 2019 #50

National Dem Party can refuse to seat delegates from calendar jumping states. IADEMO2004 Nov 2019 #61

and having a single day primary stopdiggin Nov 2019 #63

I am not sure about all states, but many Stateswith primaries pay the costs of elections. 33taw Nov 2019 #69

Florida and Michigan tried to change the primary order and lost their delegates in 2008...the DNC Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #74

So which state should we start in? progressoid Nov 2019 #56

Well now you did it. LOL IADEMO2004 Nov 2019 #62

... progressoid Nov 2019 #84

so what we need is a diverse state(s) with very low population stopdiggin Nov 2019 #66

Now THAT I would like to see. progressoid Nov 2019 #70

bush plane and mukluks stopdiggin Nov 2019 #71

In January! progressoid Nov 2019 #72

What about Georgia or North Carolina? And Bill Clinton lost both Iowa and New Hampshire. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #75

Iowa, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #94

Eventually a wealth backed Independent will win the Presidency MarcA Nov 2019 #68

I hope not...one has only to look at the UK to see how once you end a two party system...you Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #76

SCOTUS A gift that keeps on giving. Citizens United IADEMO2004 Nov 2019 #103

I have some issues here LeftTurn3623 Nov 2019 #77

It is institutional racism whether by intent or by tradition to continue to allow a small white Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #104

And that institutional racism is enabled when people say, in response to it being identified, "but StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #124

Exactly...no system can be perfect but almost any solution I suggested would be better than what we Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #125

Gotta start somewhere. Does it really matter where? TCJ70 Nov 2019 #81

"This is what institutional racism looks like." Thank you StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #90

IA and NH Having the Power to Wean the Democratic Field Is A Sore Spot For Many Dems. n/t Indykatie Nov 2019 #106

Dems should replace IA and NH with states that resemble the nation and the party. LonePirate Nov 2019 #107

Not sure why the last paragraph calls out this party. redqueen Nov 2019 #112

I've been saying to get rid of Iowa+New Hampshire on this forum Blue_Tires Nov 2019 #122

Caucuses place the the disabled community at a disadvantage, too. Politicub Nov 2019 #126

From Larry Sabato Gothmog Nov 2019 #127