Democratic Primaries

beastie boy

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31. I am assuming that Ryan Grim, whose tweet you linked to, is referring to this Biden quote:

Reply to BeyondGeography (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:40 AM

Nov 2019

"But at another level these kinds of attacks are a serious problem. They reflect an angry unyielding viewpoint that has crept into our politics. If someone doesn’t agree with you — it’s not just that you disagree — that person must be a coward or corrupt or a small thinker.

Some call it the “my way or the highway” approach to politics. But it’s worse than that. It’s condescending to the millions of Democrats who have a different view.

It’s representative of an elitism that working and middle class people do not share: “We know best; you know nothing”. “If you were only as smart as I am you would agree with me.”

This is no way to get anything done. This is no way to bring the country together. This is no way for this party to beat Donald Trump.

There are a lot of ways — a lot of progressive ways — to fix our health care system and to make our tax system fair and to address the challenge of climate change. I believe I have proposed the most progressive, transformational ideas in this campaign — and I can get them done."

So how does talk of elitism kill irony? Let me guess the alleged connection: it is because Biden is talking to supporters with money, who, in Ryan Grim's view, are the financial elites, I presume. And, because his message is addressed to them, Biden's reference to (presumably) Warren's elitism is ironic.

This is so lame! Accepting all of the assumptions in Grim's tweet, since when has talking to elites about elitism become ironic? It's not like Biden is an elitist criticizing Warren's elitism! THAT would have been ironic indeed. And when did warning donors against a losing strategy in favor of of a winning one, which had been spectacularly validated just yesterday, kill irony?

There is one thing that is telling in Grim's tweet. It is the shift of the TYT pro-Bernie/anti-Hillary narrative in 2016 to exclusively anti-Biden/pro-no one in particular narrative in 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Joe Biden had an End of Irony moment last night [View all] BeyondGeography Nov 2019 OP

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She is a proven Democrat. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #3

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What do you see in her Senate career do you see that makes you think... TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #8

True. Then I wonder why she questioned him on that one last week (i.e., "in the wrong primary")? George II Nov 2019 #22

Not sure why either of them have insinuated such foolishness. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #39

She is now and has BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #11

Agree. And I see nothing in Warren's recent history spooky3 Nov 2019 #13

Hillary Clinton was never a registered Republican or ever voted for one. betsuni Nov 2019 #14

She also "seriously weighed" putting Warren on the ticket in 2016 BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #15

So? betsuni Nov 2019 #16

So Warren is Democratic enough for Hillary, but not enough for you it appears. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #56

What are you talking about? All I said was that Hillary did not vote for a Republican. betsuni Nov 2019 #62

That's not what she says. I don't think you get elected president of Wellesley Young Repulicans vsrazdem Nov 2019 #30

So she first voted at the age of 21 in 1968 and she was a Democrat by then. StevieM Nov 2019 #33

I agree. In this day and age, I just think it is important to have the facts. vsrazdem Nov 2019 #36

Wrong! BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #41

Hillary was only republican in her teen years. Lol OldRed2450 Nov 2019 #44

Read Hillary's own account of when and what. BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #58

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Based on Biden's past voting history, she is more Democratic on some issues than Baitball Blogger Nov 2019 #20

+1 JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #29

How many votes did he take in his long career where he sided with a majority of Republicans... TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #40

Re: life-long democratic party member.. notKeith Nov 2019 #21

This line of attack is getting wearisome and is just plain dishonest Bradshaw3 Nov 2019 #23

Exactly. BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #42

Who cares? Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #57

Hope someone was handing out Unite the Country cards so they can donate even more there. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #2

Feel free to correct any factual information about the hosts BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #4

There is no need to spend time doing such a thing. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #5

Still nothing on the facts BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #7

And there won't be. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #9

I hope Biden raised a lot of money. Trump is already waging a GE campaign against him, since he highplainsdem Nov 2019 #10

Wh ocares how he raises the money, right? Bradshaw3 Nov 2019 #25

So now Fox News Andy823 Nov 2019 #28

Apparently, the press wasn't allowed to cover his speech. DCofVA Nov 2019 #12

The press doesn't attend most fundraisers... brooklynite Nov 2019 #17

dear lord awesomerwb1 Nov 2019 #24

Did anyone at the fundraiser give more than the maximum allowable contribution? George II Nov 2019 #18

It's not how much it's who is giving Bradshaw3 Nov 2019 #26

So you're implying that Biden can be bought? George II Nov 2019 #27

I figured you would try this BS Bradshaw3 Nov 2019 #49

Pssst, as YOU stated above: George II Nov 2019 #53

Lot of dodges and false charges there, as expected Bradshaw3 Nov 2019 #60

Of course the details of where the money came from is always ignored to make it look worse... George II Nov 2019 #61

Joe said Friday at the Liberty & Justice Dinner that all we have to do is get rid of Trump BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #34

Literalism. I guess it ain't just for fundies, anymore. LanternWaste Nov 2019 #35

Neither is naivete BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #37

I am assuming that Ryan Grim, whose tweet you linked to, is referring to this Biden quote: beastie boy Nov 2019 #31

Meh - weak sauce PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #32

I understand the need to raise money but weren't any left leaning people/industries available? LonePirate Nov 2019 #38

Wow, you're really worked up about his fundraiser BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #43

As long as Biden doesn't have a history of being corrupt... OldRed2450 Nov 2019 #45

Gimme an M, gimme a B... BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #46

You don't think it's true? OldRed2450 Nov 2019 #47

You don't think this is true? BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #48

No I don't think it's true OldRed2450 Nov 2019 #50

+10000 BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #59

What was Biden doing while warren was doing this? OldRed2450 Nov 2019 #51

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I listened to him on the Joe Madison show this morning JustAnotherGen Nov 2019 #54

Joe needs to quit alienating other Dems. brutus smith Nov 2019 #55