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Celerity

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9. he was talking about the buttons, shirts, etc etc that were ubiquitous and using it as a partially
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 05:03 AM
Mar 2019

comparative metaphor to fully answer the question.


here is the complete exchange

Esquire:

One of the hallmarks of the campaign so far has been a really rich and detailed debate about policy within the Democratic Party. Is that what's important right now? Or should the Democratic Party simply be organized around the simple premise that Donald Trump is a national emergency and must be defeated above all else and that the policy particulars should take a back seat to that?



Buttigieg:

So actually I don't agree with either of those approaches. The problem with making it all about him is that's what we did in 2016, and when we make it all about him, then there's a lot of voters in places like the industrial midwest, where I live, who say, "Okay, but who's talking about me?" Part of how we lost our way in 2016 was, first of all, it was all about our own nominee. "I'm with her," was literally the button.

Then when we realized who the Republican nominee was going to be, the message became, "Don't vote for him." And we just left a lot of people out because it didn't seem like we were talking about the lived experience of Americans.

For the same reason I don't think that we should do the usual Democratic thing, which is experiencing your competition through competing policy proposals. I think that policy matters, I'm a policy guy. But I think that you need our altitude to be both higher and lower. Higher in the sense that I think we need to talk about values and principles, that's why I'm out there talking about what freedom and democracy and security mean before we get into the depth of any policy idea. And at the same time also be talking in terms that are nearer to the ground, really explaining what we believe in in terms of everyday lived experience and how different under us it will be than under them. And that's how good political narrative works.

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Wonkette's take

So the context is not "Why do you hate Hillary Clinton and all the women who supported her," but rather "should Democrats focus on the threat of Donald Trump to the exclusion of all else?" AND ALSO "what should the role of policy arguments be in this election?" It's rather a lot. Notice that, in the discussion of how much to focus on Trump, most of his answer is about why making that the sole focus would be a bad idea. The bit about "I'm with her" is hardly the main point, but there it is, highlighted BY ESQUIRE in both the pull-quote (worse, in the middle of an unrelated question) and the freaking subhed, as if slagging Hillary had been Buttigieg's whole reason for doing the interview.



Watson and others then disingenuously used the out-of-context, chopped 'quote' to falsely slag off Buttigeig via a false meme.




also I’m With Her was from the campaign itself



The Story Behind “I’m With Her”
And three other iconic campaign designs from the Hillary Clinton campaign.


https://www.fastcompany.com/90109190/the-story-behind-im-with-her


At an event in March put on by the New York chapter of the professional design association AIGA and the design team for the Hillary Clinton Campaign, graphic designer Ida Woldemichael opened her speech with a bang. “So you’ve all heard the phrase, ‘I’m With Her,’ yes?” she asked, and then paused. The crowd’s strong applause seemed to suggest the answer was yes. “I wrote that,” she responded simply.

It wasn’t a humble brag—the story that proceeded that statement, about how Woldemichael came up with “I’m With Her,” illustrated the way that setting up a branding system for the campaign allowed for deliberate design decisions to be made even in the most harried of scenarios. “I’m With Her” went from Woldemichael’s sketchbook to a bumper sticker in a matter of days.


[Image: courtesy Hillary for America]

Yes, the phrase “I’m With Her” was invented by a designer one random morning in the campaign’s Brooklyn headquarters. It has since come out of so many mouths, been used in so many articles and hashtags, and been scrawled on so many signs–and is generally so entrenched in our rhetoric about Hillary Clinton now–it was almost a surprise that it had any origin story at all.

Of course it does—all things do. And while the team of designers on the campaign couldn’t have predicted it would take off to quite the degree it did, that lack of clear origin, or campaign ownership, was in some ways deliberate. Woldemichael described the team’s strategy for “un-designing” certain campaign graphics so that supporters could fill them with their own meaning, in turn making them more likely to go viral. “Our goal was not to be cool,” she said at the event. “It was to be accessible and even own-able.”

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If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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everything on twitter is true dont ya know? nt msongs Mar 2019 #1
Watson didn't lie Talking Tom Mar 2019 #17
Mayor Pete is steadily rising democrank Mar 2019 #2
I finally can pronounce his name (it is Maltese) right too! lol Celerity Mar 2019 #5
Not quite. It's BOOT-edge--edge. marylandblue Mar 2019 #14
They are both basically the same, we listened to a video Celerity Mar 2019 #29
Mine too and lots of others... must be time then to give Mayor Pete the "Bernie treatment"!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #33
Best comment in Wonkette thread: betsuni Mar 2019 #3
sounds about par for the course, including many MSM talking heads who now are Celerity Mar 2019 #4
+1 PunkinPi Mar 2019 #28
I have always liked Mayor Pete. murielm99 Mar 2019 #6
Thanks to Celerity for this post, and to Wonkette for the Comments IndianaDave Mar 2019 #7
"I'm with her" was not Hillary's tag. It was our (supporters). STRONGER TOGETHER was HRC's tag. allgood33 Mar 2019 #8
he was talking about the buttons, shirts, etc etc that were ubiquitous and using it as a partially Celerity Mar 2019 #9
Watson's trick is to use out-of-context chopped quotes and badly photo shopped pictures . Autumn Mar 2019 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni Mar 2019 #10
+1 MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #11
Morning Joe spent the first ten minutes talking about his interview yesterday, all really impressed. OnDoutside Mar 2019 #12
They SHOULD be impressed... VERY impressed!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #32
On narrative: "you need our altitude to be both higher and lower. Hortensis Mar 2019 #13
This isn't a dirty trick, he just said something extremely rogue emissary Mar 2019 #15
Notice he said "we," including himself, and he isn't wrong. marylandblue Mar 2019 #20
He's right that we need to express our principals. rogue emissary Mar 2019 #21
I don't think he thinks Clinton didn't champion our values. marylandblue Mar 2019 #22
That's the media failure and not the fault of rogue emissary Mar 2019 #23
I partly disagree about the media, messaging and cultivating the media marylandblue Mar 2019 #24
The standard policies they all have expressed. rogue emissary Mar 2019 #25
That's fine with me, but I understand if you prefer someone stronger on that. marylandblue Mar 2019 #26
Indeed, I also get that it's huge to have him in the race rogue emissary Mar 2019 #27
Buttigieg criticized Hillary Talking Tom Mar 2019 #16
He wasn't complaining about the nominee, he was complaining about the message. marylandblue Mar 2019 #19
Ding! Ding! Ding!... We hava winner!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #31
Mayor Pete was SO 100% right in that Esquire interview... how can people not see this? InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #30
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