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Demsrule86

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117. I get that but it is not needed for higher income parents and increases the costs and waters down

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 02:32 PM

Nov 2019

benefits which should go to those who need it. And when we offer to those who don't need it...often programs are too expensive and those in need end up with nothing. And you know the wealthier areas will benefit far more from a program like this than poorer areas as they have better facilitiies and will afford additional activities.

It is like the hope scholarship which was given to all people in Georgia...no income considerations...and you ended up with the wealthy kids driving around in what was called Hopemobiles. It drove up the costs of college so lower income kids couldn't get into an affordable college (the wealthy had tutors to help their kids) so the poor ended up subsidizing education for the rich while their own kids did without or joined the military for school money.

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The School Day Is Two Hours Shorter Than the Work Day. Kamala Harris Wants to Change That. [View all] mcar Nov 2019 OP

Yikes pattyloutwo Nov 2019 #1

Dumbest. Proposal. Ever. regnaD kciN Nov 2019 #5

Did you read the proposal? mcar Nov 2019 #7

It doesn't say anything about having the kids sit quietly all day. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #9

Yes. mcar Nov 2019 #19

me too JustAnotherGen Nov 2019 #53

I totally disagree with you. Blue_true Nov 2019 #83

So teachers would be working on site 52.5 hours each week? dsc Nov 2019 #2

Did you read the proposal? mcar Nov 2019 #8

Apparently not. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2019 #59

What about the children in those schools? MineralMan Nov 2019 #3

Good heavens, people, read the proposal! mcar Nov 2019 #10

I did read it. It had some sort of open-ended, vague description of MineralMan Nov 2019 #23

I honestly don't think your, or my, school experience is relevant here, MM mcar Nov 2019 #44

If you spent some time in my neighborhood in St. Paul, MN, MineralMan Nov 2019 #99

"you'll see a couple dozen kids in there every time, doing just what I used to do in my library" jberryhill Nov 2019 #102

Boys had to do that, too, sometimes. MineralMan Nov 2019 #105

Couple of things... thesquanderer Nov 2019 #97

Kids (at least below a certain age" need to be "locked up"--i.e. supervised--one way or another. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #12

You got it. It's a proposal, not a rule, or "plan" and a great... TreasonousBastard Nov 2019 #82

Many kids go to a day care after school or have to fend for themselves. Kaleva Nov 2019 #27

The school day is too long as it is for children, not to mention the hours teachers work Autumn Nov 2019 #4

Anybody think this isn't a good idea? Efilroft Sul Nov 2019 #6

I don't think it's a good idea at all. My grandson gets off the bus at 4 and he's worn out. Autumn Nov 2019 #14

My kids are wiped out, too. Efilroft Sul Nov 2019 #17

The homework my 13 year old grand daughter gets is ridiculous. That is somerthing that Autumn Nov 2019 #29

Anybody who believes the schoolwork and homework load will be lessened under this plan is naive. Efilroft Sul Nov 2019 #35

Again, read the proposal! mcar Nov 2019 #45

I read it. And I think kids have enough structured time after 6 or 7 hours in school. Efilroft Sul Nov 2019 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Nov 2019 #62

Who said he'd have to "sit there" another 2 hours? mcar Nov 2019 #21

He has an adult at home because his mother gets off work early enough to be at home. As for Autumn Nov 2019 #25

"Perhaps employers should pay their employees more" mcar Nov 2019 #41

You are right, in the meantime, there are single mothers working 2 and 3 jobs to support their kids. Autumn Nov 2019 #70

The extra time at school can be spent in Physical Ed and proctored homework. Blue_true Nov 2019 #84

I think you greatly underestimate just how much homework kids are given these days. Efilroft Sul Nov 2019 #108

Then we reform the meaning of homework and when it is done. Blue_true Nov 2019 #121

I get where you're coming from with the team approach. Efilroft Sul Nov 2019 #122

We need to both pay our teachers more and expect more from them. Blue_true Nov 2019 #123

It is a bad idea. More time for kids to get into trouble too...we already have a school to Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #107

So many negative comments by people I suspect did not read the proposal mcar Nov 2019 #11

Not reading the actual proposal gives license to throw ignorance at the wall... LanternWaste Nov 2019 #56

Looks like people are reacting before reading redqueen Nov 2019 #13

Thank you, redqueen mcar Nov 2019 #16

Exactly - this will give kids from lower income families redqueen Nov 2019 #24

I agree. It appears people are reacting without reading the proposal and thinking about it. Kaleva Nov 2019 #28

When I was a member oof the teachers union I really didn't care much comradebillyboy Nov 2019 #71

If starting fresh what kind of school system would we build delisen Nov 2019 #15

I wouldn't be one based on an agrarian calendar, that's for sure mcar Nov 2019 #18

I think that it is insane that our teachers have to look for summer jobs, often Blue_true Nov 2019 #85

Schools have been dismissed at about 3:00 for decades, if not longer. Not a good idea.... George II Nov 2019 #20

You are talking about high school, George. mcar Nov 2019 #22

"I highly doubt many 8 year olds take a bus and subway 90 minutes to school each day on their own." MineralMan Nov 2019 #30

I live in a rural area mcar Nov 2019 #38

And in my community there is school choice from Grade 1. MineralMan Nov 2019 #43

I just added this to my previous post mcar Nov 2019 #46

I am surprised, I don't have kids, but kids in my Florida county go to Blue_true Nov 2019 #87

Wow boomer_wv Nov 2019 #26

This is a proposal for a pilot program involving 500 schools. Kaleva Nov 2019 #31

"Most people?" mcar Nov 2019 #47

Ok. boomer_wv Nov 2019 #75

And many of those on this board mcar Nov 2019 #76

when I was a kid, we lived in France just down the street from a demigoddess Nov 2019 #32

I believe that grades Pre-K through 9th should have a master teacher and Blue_true Nov 2019 #88

Kids with working parents are dropped off by bus at a day care for those who can afford it. Kaleva Nov 2019 #33

For those who can afford it mcar Nov 2019 #48

Thanks for posting, mcar... PunkinPi Nov 2019 #34

+1 Kaleva Nov 2019 #36

Thanks mcar Nov 2019 #39

Bad bad bad idea. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #37

The president of the American Federation of Teachers union supports the proposal Kaleva Nov 2019 #40

AFT Union (1.7 million teachers and other education professionals) PunkinPi Nov 2019 #42

I find it odd, and disappointing, mcar Nov 2019 #49

It is disappointing and shows a lack of empathy for other people's situations. nt PunkinPi Nov 2019 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Nov 2019 #64

A. Families would opt in voluntarily mcar Nov 2019 #65

You are okay with them going to day care after school I guess. Kaleva Nov 2019 #86

We can't get enough money as it is...won't work. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #54

Why the negativity? mcar Nov 2019 #66

First of all funding is always an issue...not GOP at all as someone said you have to consider this. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #100

Yes, it's your opinion mcar Nov 2019 #109

Europe has an entirely different system. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #110

Some after school programs are subsidized, not all mcar Nov 2019 #112

That is not necessarily true that all kids are in a program...my experience and I worked Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #115

"We can't get enough money as it is" sounds like the Republican response to any Dem initiative! thesquanderer Nov 2019 #98

I think eight or nine hours at school is too many. There should be after school programs for low Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #101

re: "you insist on making the program available for everyone" thesquanderer Nov 2019 #114

I get that but it is not needed for higher income parents and increases the costs and waters down Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #117

Why? Some kids could very much benefit from the extra enrichment. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2019 #58

It has been my experience when I taught that kids need more down time...and forcing kids who Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #103

I know of kids who need this extra time to gain social and academic skills, and their parents ehrnst Nov 2019 #125

I'm finding the rejection of this plan, mcar Nov 2019 #128

Terrible idea. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2019 #51

Her solution is make the school day longer? Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #52

Wrong... PunkinPi Nov 2019 #92

Calling something by a different name doesn't change its essential nature. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #94

Her plan offers choice of extended hours and makes nothing mandatory. nt PunkinPi Nov 2019 #95

A school for underserved kids where I lived tried to do this - to give those kids more services. ehrnst Nov 2019 #57

When I worked at a low income school in Connecticut...the problem was not enrichment but teaching Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #104

The kids in this school's parents work 3 jobs on average and many kids come in with a language ehrnst Nov 2019 #124

No thanks quakerboy Nov 2019 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Nov 2019 #61

Just what we need, school buses added to rush hour traffic. oasis Nov 2019 #63

For Gods sake everyone Kamala Harris is not trying to make your kids go to school until 6 pm! mcar Nov 2019 #67

National League of Cities endorses Harris planlan mcar Nov 2019 #68

Here is a article on school years world wide whistler162 Nov 2019 #69

My nephew lives in Switzerland mcar Nov 2019 #74

We should boomer_wv Nov 2019 #81

Old article or incorrect article? whistler162 Nov 2019 #91

Most teachers get really tired of being experimented on by politicians. At least comradebillyboy Nov 2019 #72

It's not about teachers mcar Nov 2019 #73

Since I actually read the article and would have loved this program when I was a single mom nini Nov 2019 #77

Thanks nini mcar Nov 2019 #96

There's a lot of sense in this proposal, but it has to be framed and approached VERY carefully. Music Man Nov 2019 #78

Cut work hours to match school hours, but don't cut pay. liberalmuse Nov 2019 #79

So if you live in a city like LA and have a crappy commute nini Nov 2019 #80

All except teachers and support staff... whistler162 Nov 2019 #90

Freepers aren't supportive of Senator Harris's proposal Kaleva Nov 2019 #89

What is your point? That if we disagree with this plan, we are 'freepers'? How about I don't want Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #106

Here's a supportive twitter video, which explains Kamala's proposal. PunkinPi Nov 2019 #93

Many schools release at 3:30 and kids get home as late as 5 PM on the bus jcgoldie Nov 2019 #111

Wouldn't it be better for those kids to be in some kind of quality after-care program mcar Nov 2019 #113

Maybe jcgoldie Nov 2019 #116

It would only be after school mcar Nov 2019 #118

My husband used to pick up my son from school on his way home from Ilsa Nov 2019 #119

Yes, they do mcar Nov 2019 #120

SHORTEN THE WORK DAY!!! Thats the modern realistic solution. Education is not babysitting. Finland rainy Nov 2019 #126

Here are some actual working parents view the Family Friendly Schools Act... PunkinPi Nov 2019 #127