Democratic Primaries

pinkstarburst

(2,054 posts)

95. Ugh, no!!

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 10:13 AM

Nov 2019

I supported Hillary. Twice. But I don't think 2020 would turn out any differently than 2016. Yes, we can go into all the specifics about what happened and why and there were myriad factors that were not her fault. Do we think any of those factors will be any better this time around? I don't. Hillary has her share of detractors who don't like what she's selling. They didn't like her in 2016. What makes you think they're going to suddenly fangirl over her in 2020. Spoiler alert: they're not.

The only thing these late entries, and teaser trial-balloon late entry interviews are doing is to erode confidence in the current democratic field, particularly the top 4, one of whom will likely be our nominee. So if Hillary, Bloomberg, Deval Patrick, and all the other names I've seen floated in the past five days want to do something to help the party, they can 1) stop attacking different parts of the democratic agenda (which no matter who is the nominee is going to suppress voter turnout in the general) and 2) turn that energy on defeating Trump and calling attention to what the Republicans are doing wrong rather than what you think your fellow Democrats are doing wrong.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Clinton says she is being urged by 'many, many, many people' to run in 2020 [View all] brooklynite Nov 2019 OP

Agreed. No. scheming daemons Nov 2019 #1

3.2.1 evertonfc Nov 2019 #2

Trial balloon, I imagine. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #3

Yes Uncle Joe, that's possible, especially given the fact that Hillary mentions how InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #10

Well, well, well, wudda you know... no shocker there. As I've been saying, Hillary has left the door InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #4

I'd vote for her, but I doubt she'll have enough support. unitedwethrive Nov 2019 #5

these will soon be updated by Gallup, but it is not a pretty set of charts, almost 30 years of RW Celerity Nov 2019 #20

It shouldn't have been that close with or without help Polybius Nov 2019 #75

What is she doing? redqueen Nov 2019 #6

Yeah, Hillary's attack on Tulsi only succeeded in giving her much needed press coverage. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #12

Tulsi moving up in polls? Please post links. I don't see it. apcalc Nov 2019 #53

From CNN. CentralMass Nov 2019 #82

When either Gabbard, or Yang for that matter, go above 2% in the RCP, let us know Tarc Nov 2019 #78

Yeah, um, not sure wth that has to do with anything I said redqueen Nov 2019 #84

Dear heart, there is no "circus", and Hillary's accurate critiques did not give any significant bump Tarc Nov 2019 #93

Well aren't you just a precious little unity builder redqueen Nov 2019 #96

What's going on? C_U_L8R Nov 2019 #7

Hillary's strategy might not be a bad one... unless you're Joe Biden. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #13

Not really. Tulsi's rise in NH seems like it has come directly at the expense of BS. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #65

No thank you. n/t demmiblue Nov 2019 #8

The only one who could jump in now and easily win, going away, is Michelle Obama, and that is not Celerity Nov 2019 #9

I totally agree with you... were Michelle Obama to run, she would be formidable!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #14

she was my first choice by 10,000 kilometres the day after Rump stole the election Celerity Nov 2019 #23

Yes, Michelle didnt hedge one bit... no doubt she would displace Joe as the front runner on Day 1! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #27

wouldn't liddle' Donald just flip out eShirl Nov 2019 #11

Yes, and it would be just the red flag needed to fire up the repub base. groundloop Nov 2019 #15

Agreed!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #30

Admire Hillary but not now Otto Lidenbrock Nov 2019 #16

That's what I would've thought, but then there's Hillary saying things that leave people to wonder InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #21

I guess she's trolling Otto Lidenbrock Nov 2019 #33

Very possible... and quite amusing if that's Hillary's true intention. I still think she's at least InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #39

How is firing up their base a good idea?? redqueen Nov 2019 #41

Are they Republicans? Mme. Defarge Nov 2019 #17

I believe it is too late for a new candidate to compete in Ia, NH, NV ritapria Nov 2019 #18

Yes, SC makes sense, but Hillary at least would have to declare very soon... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #24

Very True ritapria Nov 2019 #26

She's teasing. betsuni Nov 2019 #19

nope... myohmy2 Nov 2019 #22

Is it many, many, many? BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #25

How about NO? n/t MFGsunny Nov 2019 #28

I'm now leaning NO too... think it would be too disruptive. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #29

Am right there with you. MFGsunny Nov 2019 #37

This seems a little tone-deaf to me. There is no dearth of people moonscape Nov 2019 #31

FYI, Politico article page is down: appalachiablue Nov 2019 #32

Weird, its still up at the Hill redqueen Nov 2019 #44

That Politico link works for me. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #64

Funny, it's up now after being down for hours appalachiablue Nov 2019 #67

She is not going to run Gothmog Nov 2019 #34

Here's a working link - Yours didn't work for me. left-of-center2012 Nov 2019 #35

"under enormous pressure from many, many, many people to think about it."''' pangaia Nov 2019 #36

Stay away Hillary. Last thing we need is for the haters to screw up this election helpisontheway Nov 2019 #38

Clinton boomer_wv Nov 2019 #40

This is total nonsense. StevieM Nov 2019 #61

She boomer_wv Nov 2019 #80

I think you are wrong about everything. StevieM Nov 2019 #81

The correct strategy boomer_wv Nov 2019 #83

Your analysis has many flaws IMO. StevieM Nov 2019 #86

+1 to all your posts. betsuni Nov 2019 #87

31.4% boomer_wv Nov 2019 #97

By no means were IA and OH out of play until the very end. StevieM Nov 2019 #103

Because boomer_wv Nov 2019 #105

Her own campaign manager said it "definitely could have alienated" her voters. Kentonio Nov 2019 #102

She is largely wrong. StevieM Nov 2019 #104

Ah right, so both the woman hired to track this stuff Kentonio Nov 2019 #106

It causes me a great deal of pain, but no. hlthe2b Nov 2019 #42

Sounds like she's trolling the pundits. She's been doing that a lot lately. comradebillyboy Nov 2019 #43

She's firing up the right wing base. redqueen Nov 2019 #45

How let down will they be when she doesn't run? comradebillyboy Nov 2019 #54

NO! Not again, not one more time! nt Raine Nov 2019 #46

By rights she should be running for her 2nd term pandr32 Nov 2019 #47

No Bayard Nov 2019 #48

no no no no no no.. I love her.. I supported her and I voted for her, cried for her, but she.. samnsara Nov 2019 #49

"absolutely not in my plans" TwilightZone Nov 2019 #50

+1000 MustLoveBeagles Nov 2019 #72

I would like to see her appointed as 'acting' Secretary of State...will go past Senate.. samnsara Nov 2019 #51

madaboutharry in 2016: madaboutharry Nov 2019 #52

She's trolling ismnotwasm Nov 2019 #55

Please NO! broiles Nov 2019 #56

As badly as she was treated, why in hell would she want to... 3catwoman3 Nov 2019 #57

Interesting... sacto95834 Nov 2019 #58

Nope. Please no! Joe941 Nov 2019 #59

I think there's worry among some democrats defacto7 Nov 2019 #60

She needs to stay out of this race period...I was all in for her and she would make a great Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #62

hahahahah iamthebandfanman Nov 2019 #63

Oh Hillary. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #66

Aw! I think she's just redecorating aka-chmeee Nov 2019 #68

NO. kacekwl Nov 2019 #69

No Thanks jalan48 Nov 2019 #70

Love Hillary, supported her in 2016 110% peggysue2 Nov 2019 #71

The fact that she's customerserviceguy Nov 2019 #73

That's her strongest indication yet that she's running Polybius Nov 2019 #74

There is an old, unspoken rule in American Politics: berni_mccoy Nov 2019 #76

Nixon being the only exception I guess...who went on to win...can't think of anyone else. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #79

Are you whippersnappers too young to remember Adlai Stevenson? The Valley Below Nov 2019 #85

Don't you remember ForEverGlades Nov 2019 #88

LOL. Got me. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #89

That too...ah well I will be quiet now as clearly I am out of my depth. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #100

I am too young but I could have looked it up...embarrassed... Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #99

No cause for embarrassment. As a general rule, you had it right. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #101

Posted in LBN now Polybius Nov 2019 #77

I have to agree. cwydro Nov 2019 #90

I like Hillary but she had her chance Buckeyeblue Nov 2019 #91

Probably the most prepared to take the office. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #92

I love Hillary: She is above and beyond anyone in the current field. Evergreen Emerald Nov 2019 #94

Ugh, no!! pinkstarburst Nov 2019 #95

HRC knows that some people are easily triggered. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #98