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8. No. Cruz won Iowa
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 03:16 PM
Nov 2019

Only two non-incumbent candidates won Iowa on their way to the White House: Bush in 2000 and Obama in 2008.

The problem with Iowa is two folds: first, all caucuses disenfranchise voters who cannot be at a certain place at a certain time for a long time and, for Iowa, on a cold winter night.

Second: no secret ballots. In Iowa caucuses one has to stand up and be counted, in front of family and neighbors, perhaps bosses and subordinates. Each group is at a corner of the room and then they start trading. I was there in 1988 and the final winner of our caucus was declared by... a toss of a coin. Did not matter. It was a suburban caucus where Dukakis won, but the neighbor from Missouri and more left leaning Gephardt won the state.

I have been telling this story several times. In 2008 a friend's child was active in the Obama campaign but the parent, not enthusiastic about Obama voted for him. After all, the child was there. But in the general, the vote went to McCain. And it is not to judge the vote, it just to show how open votes can corrupt the final outcome.




If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Nobody is bashing the people of Iowa, are they? NurseJackie Nov 2019 #1
Too many people on this board have argued Iowa is "too white" to matter. HerbChestnut Nov 2019 #2
I think the argument is "too white to be representative of the whole" LanternWaste Nov 2019 #9
It comes off as belittling Iowans and white people in general. HerbChestnut Nov 2019 #14
No it doesn't. Puerto Rico is another one that doesn't accurately represent the ethnic diversity of NurseJackie Nov 2019 #22
Sorry Jackie, parsing words doesn't change the sentiment of saying Iowa is too white. HerbChestnut Nov 2019 #25
Oh, Herb... NurseJackie Nov 2019 #27
Sorry Jackie, not taking your bait. Have a good day. HerbChestnut Nov 2019 #28
Thank you for helping to illustrate my point. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #29
+++ still_one Nov 2019 #38
+10000. ehrnst Nov 2019 #41
Any concern about belittling and dismissing the importance of 37% of the country? The US... George II Nov 2019 #33
Nice whataboutism. HerbChestnut Nov 2019 #34
It's not whataboutism if the initial premise is false. George II Nov 2019 #35
Here are some interesting observations from Nate Silvet Gothmog Nov 2019 #37
You do know that a candidate cannot get the nomination of the party w/o non white voters? Gothmog Nov 2019 #36
That's the issue. The two first states, which will guide the rest of the primaries.... George II Nov 2019 #32
It's a stretch for anyone to characterize that as bashing Iowans. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #10
He meant the "Divide and Own the Dems" strategy meeting TheRealNorth Nov 2019 #20
I don't think anyone is bashing Iowa. MineralMan Nov 2019 #3
Barack Obama won it in 2008 and 2012 RhodeIslandOne Nov 2019 #6
Yes, I do remember that. MineralMan Nov 2019 #19
And a Democrat hasn't win South Carolina since 1976 RhodeIslandOne Nov 2019 #23
You won't find me advocating that. MineralMan Nov 2019 #24
The same argument could be used against most of the southern states during the Democratic primary. HerbChestnut Nov 2019 #7
South Carolina is the only southern state to hold a primary before MineralMan Nov 2019 #26
No. Cruz won Iowa question everything Nov 2019 #8
The Democrats and Republicans do not caucus together.. Peacetrain Nov 2019 #13
I know that these are different, as they should be question everything Nov 2019 #15
Trump won in Iowa in 2016 MineralMan Nov 2019 #17
Oops. Sorry. Was thinking about the caucuses which Curz won.. question everything Nov 2019 #21
+++++++++ still_one Nov 2019 #40
Ted Cruz won Iowa in 2016 AlexSFCA Nov 2019 #30
Uh, no. I'm talking about the General election. MineralMan Nov 2019 #31
I have an issue with Iowa getting so much attention. 33taw Nov 2019 #4
Colorado just voted to have primaries over the caucuses we had in 2016. hlthe2b Nov 2019 #5
But here you have to blame New Hampshire question everything Nov 2019 #11
If a major string of states followed within a week of Iowa/NH, the emphasis on the former hlthe2b Nov 2019 #12
Certainly a good idea. But will the movers and shakers adopt it? question everything Nov 2019 #16
I would think a consensus between some states and DNC could push it forward, but...? hlthe2b Nov 2019 #18
Iowa Democrats, who are generally progressive, SharonClark Nov 2019 #39
Ummmm.... Happy Hoosier Nov 2019 #42
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