Democratic Primaries

pat_k

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112. Only "moderates" are electable is so misguided it makes me scream.

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 10:55 AM

Nov 2019

Some thoughts on that in response to a question about what "weak and right" means.

The dem modus operandi of incremental moderation fails to inspire or build political will. It is "weak and right" -- which is far too often being beaten by autocratic "strong and wrong."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=346200

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CNN's Harry Enten: The electability difference between Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden [View all] highplainsdem Nov 2019 OP

I fear we will not be able to elect Warren in a general...and see no reason to try with polls like Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #1

I like Biden well enough... tonedevil Nov 2019 #2

I agree with you. Desert grandma Nov 2019 #4

The Image of the US to the world Mr.Bill Nov 2019 #12

You may be right, but I think it's too early to write Warren off. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #19

This country is craving statemanship and 'normal' nini Nov 2019 #23

IMO we are feminists but the independents treestar Nov 2019 #3

Soooo... we shouldn't vote for a woman because we don't trust independents... jcgoldie Nov 2019 #7

LOL... /nt tonedevil Nov 2019 #11

We do want to win. treestar Nov 2019 #15

No we'd rather win on principle. MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #26

+1,000 n/t MarcA Nov 2019 #49

I rather try principle some other year....we only have one shot and principle will be cold Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #68

+1 This is the year to lose on principal and actually treestar Nov 2019 #98

Well...of course they just know that if their super candidate runs all voters will immediately Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #105

✔️ blm Nov 2019 #73

Try to do what? treestar Nov 2019 #97

That's part of it, but there's also the missteps on MFA's funding... brush Nov 2019 #104

All these negative commentaries crazytown Nov 2019 #5

LOL! Harry Enten is analyzing polls, which is what he always does. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #6

I really don't see them as attacks. Voters want her to be straight forward with cost and Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #38

Seems like more of an aruement for Klobuchar judeling Nov 2019 #8

Nope. Read the full analysis. But I do like Klobuchar, even though she hasn't done well in the highplainsdem Nov 2019 #9

Yeah judeling Nov 2019 #30

She won her 2018 Senate reelection against a very weak Republican opponent Green Line Nov 2019 #10

If you go by that, then here is some perspective from the past. Perseus Nov 2019 #17

Pretty sure he won his senate seat a few times Green Line Nov 2019 #20

Apples to oranges. Biden had no trouble at all winning re-election to the Senate, quite a few times highplainsdem Nov 2019 #21

Yes, and Warren had no trouble winning her Senate sit the first time she run. Perseus Nov 2019 #33

The Mid-terms should tell you that voters are not afraid to elect progressives INdemo Nov 2019 #34

polls do not indicate she can win. Polling with AAvoters and in the rust belt are not good for EW Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #40

Where did you get those numbers, not just another DU post but an actual source INdemo Nov 2019 #90

AOC was elected in New York...she took a Democratic seat...good for her but it was 40 moderates Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #72

She has judeling Nov 2019 #35

Same tired old line. MarcA Nov 2019 #51

Wrong "case" pat_k Nov 2019 #13

You've expressed your individual opinion, and you're entitled to it. Enten is analyzing the highplainsdem Nov 2019 #22

What they "think" is based on the persistent "drumbeat"... pat_k Nov 2019 #24

✔️ blm Nov 2019 #45

I agree with you - it's not just about being a moderate. Drunken Irishman Nov 2019 #48

Some thoughts on approach in another thread pat_k Nov 2019 #114

fight what? treestar Nov 2019 #100

Fight -- work -- whatever you want to call it. pat_k Nov 2019 #113

Left Right false dichotomy pushed by corporate centrists. n/t MarcA Nov 2019 #54

How is someone weak and right? treestar Nov 2019 #99

"Talking the talk" without ... pat_k Nov 2019 #111

Biden is leading in latest Q poll in NH due to electability Gothmog Nov 2019 #110

Only "moderates" are electable is so misguided it makes me scream. pat_k Nov 2019 #112

Medicare for All a Vote Loser in 2018 U.S. House Elections Gothmog Nov 2019 #115

Here is my opinion about these type of "news" Perseus Nov 2019 #14

Yes, and the attacks on Biden come mostly from Warren and Sanders supporters. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #18

From time to time, the truth hurts. Skya Rhen Nov 2019 #25

I want the truth, I want it about everyone Perseus Nov 2019 #31

What you think you see from "the Biden crowd" is what Biden supporters see from Warren and Sanders highplainsdem Nov 2019 #36

This!! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #41

I am just now starting to wonder how heavy will the KGB/putin /GOP hand be on our Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #101

Some folks search daily for every anti-Warren tidbit they can find. blm Nov 2019 #46

Talk about "jeeze"! Someone is NOT "kind of evil and very anti-Dem" for Cha Nov 2019 #58

The reply was to Perseus' overall observation of this forum and not blm Nov 2019 #61

Still Nothing "kind of evil and very anti-Dem".. you're Cha Nov 2019 #62

The constant anti-Warren postings ARE kind of evil blm Nov 2019 #64

That's garbage. And btw, Biden's been the frontrunner for nearly a year, with it looking highplainsdem Nov 2019 #66

The constant attack posts ARE kind of evil. You want her campaign damaged. blm Nov 2019 #71

Oh, dear God. This is NOT an attack post! This is analysis of polls. I post a lot of highplainsdem Nov 2019 #82

As I see it, many Biden attacks have been personal, smears. Warren's policies have been challenged. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #92

It's the Primaries! There have been NO "kinda of evil and anti-Dem" Cha Nov 2019 #70

LOL! If you don't like my posts, blm, you don't need to follow me around the board lecturing me. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #63

I counter anti-Warren posts when posted by you or others. blm Nov 2019 #67

This thread is about poll analysis. You're posting personal attacks, and really highplainsdem Nov 2019 #69

I don't say Biden supporters are evil. The constant, daily attack posts blm Nov 2019 #84

I haven't seen anyone here posting "constant, daily attack posts directed at Warren." highplainsdem Nov 2019 #88

The intent to spread negativity IS kind of evil. blm Nov 2019 #89

I don't think there IS an "intent to spread negativity." Not here. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #91

"Kind of evil" and "anti-Dem" comment was waaaaaay out of bounds. You could not have been emmaverybo Nov 2019 #94

Are you serious? Have you seen the Biden attack posts. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #74

IOKIYAJBS. n/t MarcA Nov 2019 #52

And, one of the big reasons I like Biden he can win.. Cha Nov 2019 #16

Amen to that Cha.. his numbers are improving for a reason!! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #42

The polls in the "Blue Wall" states say it all for me. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2019 #27

Indeed and if Biden is the nominee TX, FL and AZ all come into play. Not so with EW or sanders Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #43

I agree. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #77

She evertonfc Nov 2019 #28

Of course, extreme right wingers are "electable," aren't they? We have a Nazi in the White House... NNadir Nov 2019 #29

✔️✔️ blm Nov 2019 #85

According to MSNBC Biden's campaign has already collapsed redstateblues Nov 2019 #32

LOL! Josh Barro had a funny tweet about that the other day, about how some people have highplainsdem Nov 2019 #37

Corporate America wants Joe Biden, and that's what we'll get. YOHABLO Nov 2019 #39

Yes, that's about it. He's been being shoved down our throat since before he announced. vsrazdem Nov 2019 #44

Yeah right. That why he is leading in the polls redstateblues Nov 2019 #59

That doesn't make it any less true. vsrazdem Nov 2019 #60

Nobody is shoving Biden down your throat redstateblues Nov 2019 #65

This has nothing to do with who I support. The MSM ha been pushing Biden since before he even vsrazdem Nov 2019 #83

The MSM (Mathews, Chris Hayes, Joy Reid, Rachel Maddox et al)have been trashing since he redstateblues Nov 2019 #108

THE PEOPLE WANT JOE BIDEN, YOHABLO.. he's the one who polls the Cha Nov 2019 #57

Not my people. YOHABLO Nov 2019 #75

THE PEOPLE who have Joe Biden in the Lead NOW. Cha Nov 2019 #78

Oh so they're ganging up on me are they. Whatever. YOHABLO Nov 2019 #81

+++++++++1000 Peacetrain Nov 2019 #76

Mahalo, Peacetrain! Cha Nov 2019 #79

Hey Cha!!! Peacetrain Nov 2019 #80

K&R Tarheel_Dem Nov 2019 #47

If the media TheFarseer Nov 2019 #50

+1,000 n/t MarcA Nov 2019 #55

Joe is the most qualified nationally and globally LakeArenal Nov 2019 #53

Biden's the One. It's always been the case from the day he entered. oasis Nov 2019 #56

I agree with Rachel Maddow... dixiechiken1 Nov 2019 #86

✔️✔️✔️ blm Nov 2019 #87

EW and especially BS are unelectable in a GE n/t PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #93

DJT was supposed to be unelectable, too... dixiechiken1 Nov 2019 #95

Neither is as qualified as Biden. Neither has any FP experience or knowledge. An older emmaverybo Nov 2019 #96

Joe's run a couple times before ...right? Champion Jack Nov 2019 #102

Those really aren't relevant, because he wasn't leading in the polls for nearly a year then. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #103

It would seem that the primaries Champion Jack Nov 2019 #106

Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available Gothmog Nov 2019 #107

Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available Gothmog Nov 2019 #109