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TreasonousBastard

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7. That's been my larger point through all of these grand plans...

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 05:55 AM

Nov 2019

"Health care for all" is likely a winning message in the general, but specific plans for just how we get there would leave too many voters cold. If M4A gets even 3/4 of Democrats on board, that's not enough to get us through the general.

Preaching to the converted doesn't get you more converts.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Warren proposes a transition phase before Medicare-for-All [View all] RandySF Nov 2019 OP

As I've thought, it's foolish for candidates to propose 'specific' plans at this stage; elleng Nov 2019 #1

That's been my larger point through all of these grand plans... TreasonousBastard Nov 2019 #7

The Warren Plan ritapria Nov 2019 #2

No she hasn't dansolo Nov 2019 #8

i'd have done it a year at a time rampartc Nov 2019 #3

I see this new approach as a sign of her strength--she is will to work on different approaches and riversedge Nov 2019 #4

Exactly. BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #6

It is too late...and what do you suppose the real life consequences will be during the Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #14

I totally agree. She is no longer in the pie-in-the-sky crowd that pays no... LAS14 Nov 2019 #19

It's a smart political move. I think she's decided to go for M4A in year 3 because the midterms... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2019 #5

I think it is politically foolish dansolo Nov 2019 #9

And what do you think 'vote for us or lose your health care' will do to Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #15

So no middle class tax increases was a lie dansolo Nov 2019 #10

Yes it does. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #11

They may be less for you madville Nov 2019 #12

They will be less for many more Americans. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #18

The taxes won't be less...Hubs and I looked into it...we are not at retirement age but it will cost Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #16

And how did you calculate this? Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #17

Everything I have seen is a fairtytale...it will cost a fortune to put every person on Medicare for Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #20

So you didn't calculate it then? nt Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #22

I just told you I looked at the numbers and I think the 'assumptions' of saving are a fairy tale. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #23

You "looked at the numbers". Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #24

I looked at Warren's own numbers and have linked a discussion of those number which I find to be Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #29

Her numbers look good. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #31

They don't look good to me and are based on assumptions that I don't believe are true...which I Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #34

Everything I have seen is a fairtytale...it will cost a fortune to put every person on Medicare for Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #21

My Medicare costs me $135 a month. The three of you would pay $405 a month under MFA. stopbush Nov 2019 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #30

Her wealth tax would fund a good portion of it. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #32

How many expensive programs will be funded by that wealth tax? stopbush Nov 2019 #33

Well, seeing as billionaires shouldn't exist, Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #35

Right. Empty platitudes that will never happen. Pipe dreams. stopbush Nov 2019 #36

Yeah, let's just be apathetic! nt Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #39

Not apathetic. Realistic. I am on Medicare. I wish everyone could be on Medicare. stopbush Nov 2019 #40

Fewer than 1000 billionaires in the USA. stopbush Nov 2019 #37

That's a lot of fucking billionaires... Especially when there shouldn't be a single one. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #38

Do I detect a whiff of moderate incrementalism in her proposal? beastie boy Nov 2019 #13

Nobel Prize winner: Warren's stepping stone plan, "a very good idea: Chambi Nov 2019 #25

MFA, with a short transition period, is still MFA. People who don't want MFA will still be against Hoyt Nov 2019 #26

Much better ismnotwasm Nov 2019 #27