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In reply to the discussion: Joe Biden's Frantic Defense of the Status Quo [View all]Celerity
(54,848 posts)35. the centre right needs to reclaim the Republican party, it will take decades but it must be done
How America Ends
A tectonic demographic shift is under way. Can the country hold together?
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/12/how-america-ends/600757/
Democracy depends on the consent of the losers. For most of the 20th century, parties and candidates in the United States have competed in elections with the understanding that electoral defeats are neither permanent nor intolerable. The losers could accept the result, adjust their ideas and coalitions, and move on to fight in the next election. Ideas and policies would be contested, sometimes viciously, but however heated the rhetoric got, defeat was not generally equated with political annihilation. The stakes could feel high, but rarely existential. In recent years, however, beginning before the election of Donald Trump and accelerating since, that has changed.
In October, with the spectre of impeachment looming, he fumed on Twitter, What is taking place is not an impeachment, it is a COUP, intended to take away the Power of the People, their VOTE, their Freedoms, their Second Amendment, Religion, Military, Border Wall, and their God-given rights as a Citizen of The United States of America! For good measure, he also quoted a supporters dark prediction that impeachment will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal. Trumps apocalyptic rhetoric matches the tenor of the times. The body politic is more fractious than at any time in recent memory. Over the past 25 years, both red and blue areas have become more deeply hued, with Democrats clustering in cities and suburbs and Republicans filling in rural areas and exurbs. In Congress, where the two caucuses once overlapped ideologically, the dividing aisle has turned into a chasm.
As partisans have drifted apart geographically and ideologically, theyve become more hostile toward each other. In 1960, less than 5 percent of Democrats and Republicans said theyd be unhappy if their children married someone from the other party; today, 35 percent of Republicans and 45 percent of Democrats would be, according to a recent Public Religion Research Institute/Atlantic pollfar higher than the percentages that object to marriages crossing the boundaries of race and religion. As hostility rises, Americans trust in political institutions, and in one another, is declining. A study released by the Pew Research Center in July found that only about half of respondents believed their fellow citizens would accept election results no matter who won. At the fringes, distrust has become centrifugal: Right-wing activists in Texas and left-wing activists in California have revived talk of secession.
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great article
A tectonic demographic shift is under way. Can the country hold together?
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/12/how-america-ends/600757/
Democracy depends on the consent of the losers. For most of the 20th century, parties and candidates in the United States have competed in elections with the understanding that electoral defeats are neither permanent nor intolerable. The losers could accept the result, adjust their ideas and coalitions, and move on to fight in the next election. Ideas and policies would be contested, sometimes viciously, but however heated the rhetoric got, defeat was not generally equated with political annihilation. The stakes could feel high, but rarely existential. In recent years, however, beginning before the election of Donald Trump and accelerating since, that has changed.
Our radical Democrat opponents are driven by hatred, prejudice, and rage, Trump told the crowd at his reelection kickoff event in Orlando in June. They want to destroy you and they want to destroy our country as we know it. This is the core of the presidents pitch to his supporters: He is all that stands between them and the abyss.
In October, with the spectre of impeachment looming, he fumed on Twitter, What is taking place is not an impeachment, it is a COUP, intended to take away the Power of the People, their VOTE, their Freedoms, their Second Amendment, Religion, Military, Border Wall, and their God-given rights as a Citizen of The United States of America! For good measure, he also quoted a supporters dark prediction that impeachment will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal. Trumps apocalyptic rhetoric matches the tenor of the times. The body politic is more fractious than at any time in recent memory. Over the past 25 years, both red and blue areas have become more deeply hued, with Democrats clustering in cities and suburbs and Republicans filling in rural areas and exurbs. In Congress, where the two caucuses once overlapped ideologically, the dividing aisle has turned into a chasm.
As partisans have drifted apart geographically and ideologically, theyve become more hostile toward each other. In 1960, less than 5 percent of Democrats and Republicans said theyd be unhappy if their children married someone from the other party; today, 35 percent of Republicans and 45 percent of Democrats would be, according to a recent Public Religion Research Institute/Atlantic pollfar higher than the percentages that object to marriages crossing the boundaries of race and religion. As hostility rises, Americans trust in political institutions, and in one another, is declining. A study released by the Pew Research Center in July found that only about half of respondents believed their fellow citizens would accept election results no matter who won. At the fringes, distrust has become centrifugal: Right-wing activists in Texas and left-wing activists in California have revived talk of secession.
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great article
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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If I, a regular citizen, said this, I would be laughed at and mocked for being naive and/or stupid.
LonePirate
Nov 2019
#1
Biden bashing is not hard to miss...and of course it appears as if your candidate
Demsrule86
Nov 2019
#37
I wonder how many attacks Biden has endured from Trump, here and elsewhere? Yet
Demsrule86
Nov 2019
#105
And Bernie surrogates' before he even entered and Harris's debate hit which MSM crowed
emmaverybo
Nov 2019
#118
I am also very proud and think some who search for attack articles and post vicious commentary
Demsrule86
Nov 2019
#124
Why not post something positive about your candidate of choice. Negative posting does nothing
Thekaspervote
Nov 2019
#44
You mean like during the Obama years? Sorry most of us would kill to return to that time of sanity.
Demsrule86
Nov 2019
#106
Defend the premise that Obama's cabinet was a "citigroup administration stuffed
treestar
Nov 2019
#143
and then continue to do the bidding of wall street and the insurance companies
SterlingPound
Nov 2019
#18
And indeed he has a great voting record on civil rights women's right gun safety
Thekaspervote
Nov 2019
#59
no one is saying close the banks and CC's tomorrow but you keep rocking on
SterlingPound
Nov 2019
#70
Why not list bills Warren successfully passed during her time in the Senate...and perhaps you could
Demsrule86
Nov 2019
#125
Biden didn't even invest with Wall Street when he as in the Senate, so as not to have
Demsrule86
Nov 2019
#113
And you don't think your endless tongue in cheek negatives aren't bashing?? Really??
Thekaspervote
Nov 2019
#79
The last couple days there were threads going after Warren, now today there are threads going after
still_one
Nov 2019
#10
Yes, and I also believe that you can't attack Biden for his time as VP without attacking
Demsrule86
Nov 2019
#119
No no.. All in for Biden.. but crap is crap and not a walk through the tulip beds
Peacetrain
Nov 2019
#29
The polls here on DU are far far from or reflect the nation and how they will vote
Thekaspervote
Nov 2019
#61
The poll at DU does not reflect a number of polls in a number of states where Biden leads. That
emmaverybo
Nov 2019
#112
You can predict whatever you want. People may well change their minds. Right now Biden leads
emmaverybo
Nov 2019
#120
The point is that people are not changing their minds about Biden...maybe Warren. Is she slipping?
Demsrule86
Nov 2019
#121
Warren needs to win Iowa and New Hampshire or come damn close...neither Sanders nor Biden have to
Demsrule86
Nov 2019
#132
In the new HarrisX poll, yes. She has gone down to third place. Biden gained 4 points. Sanders
emmaverybo
Nov 2019
#126
the centre right needs to reclaim the Republican party, it will take decades but it must be done
Celerity
Nov 2019
#35
In a divided Congress, Biden makes perfect sense. And this is not status quo.
beastie boy
Nov 2019
#25
Yes and since he's the front runner with great poll numbers it makes sense to a lot of voters!!
Thekaspervote
Nov 2019
#54
Here's some more of what the experts have to say about your comment: Nate Silver 538
Thekaspervote
Nov 2019
#82
Oh so, you would rather give your opinion and say that polling experts know nothing? really??
Thekaspervote
Nov 2019
#86
FYI Nate Silver's numbers for 2016 were very close.. you can look it up if you want
Thekaspervote
Nov 2019
#94
Indeed! I want a president that is willing to wade into whatever pile of crap to secure
Thekaspervote
Nov 2019
#92
He is lambasted for wanting a "change from today's climate," as calling for embracing conservative
emmaverybo
Nov 2019
#160
Since you seem to agree with the op about status quo, why don't you start.. let's hear it
Thekaspervote
Nov 2019
#84
The Republicans are never going to work on policy that works against their money handlers, Koch.
BeckyDem
Nov 2019
#90
And you think Biden is naive about that? You think that hammering a progressive agenda with a
Thekaspervote
Nov 2019
#96
No, I believe it is wrong to campaign suggesting as he has that they will work with him
BeckyDem
Nov 2019
#99
I may be mistaken, but I don't believe I have seen one Democratic candidate indicate that they won't
still_one
Nov 2019
#81
The answer is that the alternative meaning of status quo is money in politics, corruption.
betsuni
Nov 2019
#158
Valid question. I believe it begins with not suggesting Trump's departure will equate
BeckyDem
Nov 2019
#104
how do we know biden will fight hard for the public option? he didnt last time
questionseverything
Nov 2019
#156
ACA with a public option passed Congress. There weren't enough votes for it in the Senate.
betsuni
Nov 2019
#169
Is "frantic" even in Biden's repertoire? He is steady as you go. Steadily he maintains the lead.
emmaverybo
Nov 2019
#130
Usually someone with an interest in dividing the party or getting clicks.
Aaron Pereira
Nov 2019
#137
Neither Warren nor Sanders are younger...they are both above 70. In fact Sanders is older than Biden
Demsrule86
Nov 2019
#128
It is an election and voters want us to work with the other side...doesn't hurt to try. What is the
Demsrule86
Nov 2019
#127
Even if we get the Senate, we still have to work with some Republicans...and we have will have
Demsrule86
Nov 2019
#135
We lost a SC seat that was ours. That matters to some of us. Not easily forgotten or dismissed.
Jewls2
Nov 2019
#131
I'm trying to think of anyone who is less "frantic" that "Rabid Joe" Biden. LOL.
The Valley Below
Nov 2019
#148
Serving an ideology is simply more important than defeating Trump. But I find more disappointing
emmaverybo
Nov 2019
#164
Aw shucks. Biden's clarification states that he is for expunging possession offenses records and
emmaverybo
Nov 2019
#166
but that won't change the law on public housing,student loans,dcfs and kids
questionseverything
Nov 2019
#174
Rethug leadership starting with Gingrich has been a stream of vehement Never-Collaborators.
JudyM
Nov 2019
#172
Thank you, JudyM. The intentions of the GOP could not be more clear since Trump.
BeckyDem
Nov 2019
#179
O, jesus- Nice headline, nice source link, nice try. No points, but, keep trying, Sunshine!
NBachers
Nov 2019
#176
I don't give a damn about any of this. We need to select who can win. Period.
EveHammond13
Nov 2019
#177