Democratic Primaries

emmaverybo

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164. Serving an ideology is simply more important than defeating Trump. But I find more disappointing

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 08:28 PM

Nov 2019

that a gift horse is being looked at in the mouth. Biden is far more qualified than the other top tier candidates. His tenure with Obama as VP, a powerful and hands-on VP, should speak to all Dems.
Furthermore, he has a message for all Americans about the urgency of this moment in terms of
our national security and the world’s as well as the existential crisis democratic values face, here, and internationally.

No other candidate has brought that out as strongly and persistently as Biden.

It would seem his thoughts on Marijuana, which is widely available regardless of fed policy, are more important than his opinion of the humanitarian crisis at our southern borders, about which he wrote such a thoughtful analysis, or Iran, or climate accords, or Russia, or India and Pakistan coming so close to a nuclear showdown or NK, China, the Mideast...

Honestly. Are we teenagers?

Yes, all those in prison for using marijuana should be let out and records expunged tomorrow.
My sense of decriminalization is that marijuana would not be a criminal offense regardless of state law.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Joe Biden's Frantic Defense of the Status Quo [View all] BeckyDem Nov 2019 OP

If I, a regular citizen, said this, I would be laughed at and mocked for being naive and/or stupid. LonePirate Nov 2019 #1

So Biden Is The Same As Trump (Status Quo)? TomCADem Nov 2019 #2

Not stated nor implied but that is your take nevertheless. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #3

Trump is the status quote right now sweetloukillbot Nov 2019 #5

Nonsense. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #8

Headline is misleading WA-03 Democrat Nov 2019 #6

Apparently that's nonsense. sweetloukillbot Nov 2019 #21

The status quo is not IQ45; Agent Orange is a horrid, dangerous anomaly. Magoo48 Nov 2019 #72

You should look up the definition of status quo Hav Nov 2019 #102

This sweetloukillbot Nov 2019 #129

Nice avoidance, thanks for the technical definition. Magoo48 Nov 2019 #170

This message was self-deleted by its author Magoo48 Nov 2019 #75

Yep! treestar Nov 2019 #141

Do you know what "status quo" means? TomCADem Nov 2019 #145

I'm not the one who is confused by the OP's intent nor meaning of the term. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #147

+1 Kurt V. Nov 2019 #151

........... BeckyDem Nov 2019 #163

If status quo boomer_wv Nov 2019 #4

I believe you missed the point of the OP. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #7

Biden bashing is not hard to miss...and of course it appears as if your candidate Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #37

Agree!! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #41

I wonder how many attacks Biden has endured from Trump, here and elsewhere? Yet Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #105

THIS emmaverybo Nov 2019 #110

Biden showing everyday, that he can withstand Trump's attacks. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #111

And Bernie surrogates' before he even entered and Harris's debate hit which MSM crowed emmaverybo Nov 2019 #118

I am also very proud and think some who search for attack articles and post vicious commentary Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #124

meaning the biden years SterlingPound Nov 2019 #14

Why not post something positive about your candidate of choice. Negative posting does nothing Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #44

because this is a thread about biden being for our failing status quo SterlingPound Nov 2019 #60

You mean like during the Obama years? Sorry most of us would kill to return to that time of sanity. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #106

I would as well compaired to the trump years SterlingPound Nov 2019 #161

This message was self-deleted by its author SterlingPound Nov 2019 #162

Yes SouthernIrish Nov 2019 #157

Defend the premise that Obama's cabinet was a "citigroup administration stuffed treestar Nov 2019 #143

I second that, but state it a bit differently. Poeraria Nov 2019 #34

+1 treestar Nov 2019 #140

+1000% SterlingPound Nov 2019 #9

Seems like trump WA-03 Democrat Nov 2019 #15

and then continue to do the bidding of wall street and the insurance companies SterlingPound Nov 2019 #18

This is your opinion...and that's all it is...an opinion Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #46

when there is a voting record it is more than just opinion SterlingPound Nov 2019 #49

And indeed he has a great voting record on civil rights women's right gun safety Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #59

Now that is an opinion SterlingPound Nov 2019 #66

Go Joe Go WA-03 Democrat Nov 2019 #68

no one is saying close the banks and CC's tomorrow but you keep rocking on SterlingPound Nov 2019 #70

Why not list bills Warren successfully passed during her time in the Senate...and perhaps you could Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #125

Biden didn't even invest with Wall Street when he as in the Senate, so as not to have Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #113

Consulting and book royalties. MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #180

And you don't think your endless tongue in cheek negatives aren't bashing?? Really?? Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #79

Logical fallacies are better than crystal balls. LanternWaste Nov 2019 #87

Crystal ball? That's your term!! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #98

The last couple days there were threads going after Warren, now today there are threads going after still_one Nov 2019 #10

Its called a primary. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #11

It's the disingenuousness sweetloukillbot Nov 2019 #24

Republicans are not going to work with Biden. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #27

Giving lip service to attempting does no harm sweetloukillbot Nov 2019 #38

You believe OP is equating Biden with Trump. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #52

Yes, and I also believe that you can't attack Biden for his time as VP without attacking Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #119

My comment stands on its own, I don't need to justify it still_one Nov 2019 #62

Which has no meaning in the context of the OP. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #64

There's a "new one" apparently BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #23

The New Republic USED to be worth it, and I subscribed; elleng Nov 2019 #12

Are you serious? BeckyDem Nov 2019 #13

You know I almost put on the hipwaders to get through that pile of crap Peacetrain Nov 2019 #17

Because you believe you are objective on Biden. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #20

Probably no more or less so than you are with Warren BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #26

lol BeckyDem Nov 2019 #30

I know right? BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #31

You are funny, yes. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #39

I know. But thanks, anyway. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #40

Thanks for stopping by with all the "reasoning". BeckyDem Nov 2019 #47

Awww you're so welcome BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #69

No no.. All in for Biden.. but crap is crap and not a walk through the tulip beds Peacetrain Nov 2019 #29

Figure out a way to work with them? BeckyDem Nov 2019 #33

Keep pounding ... I'm sure you are changing a lot of voters minds!! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #50

More people are now for Warren than Biden here at DU. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #56

The polls here on DU are far far from or reflect the nation and how they will vote Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #61

Alrighty then. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #67

No no no.. its "Alrighty Now".. don't make me lose faith in you Peacetrain Nov 2019 #71

Yes, I heard you the first time. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #76

Thank you! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #80

You betcha!! Peacetrain Nov 2019 #146

The poll at DU does not reflect a number of polls in a number of states where Biden leads. That emmaverybo Nov 2019 #112

Funny how it is consistently been Biden supporters who say that. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #115

You can predict whatever you want. People may well change their minds. Right now Biden leads emmaverybo Nov 2019 #120

The polls. ok BeckyDem Nov 2019 #122

The point is that people are not changing their minds about Biden...maybe Warren. Is she slipping? Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #121

I think she has surprised a lot of people and will likely BeckyDem Nov 2019 #123

Warren needs to win Iowa and New Hampshire or come damn close...neither Sanders nor Biden have to Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #132

In the new HarrisX poll, yes. She has gone down to third place. Biden gained 4 points. Sanders emmaverybo Nov 2019 #126

I did NOT say that, but I don't have to subscribe when I think it lost its way, elleng Nov 2019 #32

Amazing. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #36

Their base is nuts and the RWNJ machine keeps them frothing BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #16

Thank you. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #19

Sadly, this is the situation TheRealNorth Nov 2019 #28

the centre right needs to reclaim the Republican party, it will take decades but it must be done Celerity Nov 2019 #35

Thank you for posting it. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #45

+1 Kurt V. Nov 2019 #153

+1000 brutus smith Nov 2019 #22

In a divided Congress, Biden makes perfect sense. And this is not status quo. beastie boy Nov 2019 #25

Makes sense to his supporters. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #42

Yes and since he's the front runner with great poll numbers it makes sense to a lot of voters!! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #54

Maybe, we'll see. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #58

Here's some eye popping numbers you should consider NYTsienna poll Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #73

We'll find out if he lasts before too long. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #77

Here's some more of what the experts have to say about your comment: Nate Silver 538 Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #82

Experts, ok. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #83

Oh so, you would rather give your opinion and say that polling experts know nothing? really?? Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #86

2016 BeckyDem Nov 2019 #91

FYI Nate Silver's numbers for 2016 were very close.. you can look it up if you want Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #94

You go with your experts. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #95

Better than the arm chair crap from the new Republic! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #97

I don't expect you to agree with it. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #101

You bet! beastie boy Nov 2019 #57

Indeed! I want a president that is willing to wade into whatever pile of crap to secure Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #92

Is "status quo" the new oligarchy or dynasties bs of 2016? Hav Nov 2019 #43

Oh the voice of sanity...thank you!! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #55

He is lambasted for wanting a "change from today's climate," as calling for embracing conservative emmaverybo Nov 2019 #160

Sometimes people try too hard..... TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #48

After Trump, I'll take "normalcy" PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #51

I'll ask for about the 50th time on this site: George II Nov 2019 #53

I have no idea what you have been told. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #63

Since you seem to agree with the op about status quo, why don't you start.. let's hear it Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #84

The Republicans are never going to work on policy that works against their money handlers, Koch. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #90

And you think Biden is naive about that? You think that hammering a progressive agenda with a Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #96

No, I believe it is wrong to campaign suggesting as he has that they will work with him BeckyDem Nov 2019 #99

When I ask the question I never get an answer. That's my point. George II Nov 2019 #117

Yes you have. You may not like them and the responses follow from this post. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #136

I've gotten responses but no answers. George II Nov 2019 #138

Keep playing and have a nice day. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #139

I have a perfect definition for you, George: beastie boy Nov 2019 #65

LOL!!! Excellent still_one Nov 2019 #78

along with "corporatist" "oligarch" treestar Nov 2019 #142

You should ask the OP BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #74

Yes... just the others.. Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #88

I may be mistaken, but I don't believe I have seen one Democratic candidate indicate that they won't still_one Nov 2019 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #85

Good question. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #93

The answer is that the alternative meaning of status quo is money in politics, corruption. betsuni Nov 2019 #158

good let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Nov 2019 #89

The "Lowered Expectations" campaign. N/t TCJ70 Nov 2019 #100

What's the solution? Otto Lidenbrock Nov 2019 #103

Valid question. I believe it begins with not suggesting Trump's departure will equate BeckyDem Nov 2019 #104

do you think biden doesn't want to do that? Otto Lidenbrock Nov 2019 #109

I can't speak for why Biden has taken the issue of Republicans BeckyDem Nov 2019 #114

how do we know biden will fight hard for the public option? he didnt last time questionseverything Nov 2019 #156

What do you mean Biden didn't fight hard for the public option? betsuni Nov 2019 #159

do we have a public option i dont know about? questionseverything Nov 2019 #168

ACA with a public option passed Congress. There weren't enough votes for it in the Senate. betsuni Nov 2019 #169

since the aca passed using reconciliation (51 votes) questionseverything Nov 2019 #173

Al Franken: betsuni Nov 2019 #175

Frantic?? Who writes this crap? onetexan Nov 2019 #107

Is "frantic" even in Biden's repertoire? He is steady as you go. Steadily he maintains the lead. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #130

Bingo! No one among the candidates is more steady than Joe. onetexan Nov 2019 #150

Usually someone with an interest in dividing the party or getting clicks. Aaron Pereira Nov 2019 #137

U hit the nail on the head! onetexan Nov 2019 #149

That about sums it up in my view. KPN Nov 2019 #108

Neither Warren nor Sanders are younger...they are both above 70. In fact Sanders is older than Biden Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #128

No, but they are supported by younger. Harris KPN Nov 2019 #152

I love ya Mr. Biden BigMin28 Nov 2019 #116

It is an election and voters want us to work with the other side...doesn't hurt to try. What is the Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #127

I do not claim to have all the answers BigMin28 Nov 2019 #134

Even if we get the Senate, we still have to work with some Republicans...and we have will have Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #135

Yep and having a President that is treestar Nov 2019 #144

We lost a SC seat that was ours. That matters to some of us. Not easily forgotten or dismissed. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #131

Racism, huh tirebiter Nov 2019 #133

I'm trying to think of anyone who is less "frantic" that "Rabid Joe" Biden. LOL. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #148

I have never seen Democrats.... quickesst Nov 2019 #154

Serving an ideology is simply more important than defeating Trump. But I find more disappointing emmaverybo Nov 2019 #164

agree with everything you've written quickesst Nov 2019 #165

Aw shucks. Biden's clarification states that he is for expunging possession offenses records and emmaverybo Nov 2019 #166

Hmmm... quickesst Nov 2019 #167

but that won't change the law on public housing,student loans,dcfs and kids questionseverything Nov 2019 #174

No. But those issues can be addressed. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #178

Help help I'm being repressed. nycbos Nov 2019 #155

Oh, you... NurseJackie Nov 2019 #171

Rethug leadership starting with Gingrich has been a stream of vehement Never-Collaborators. JudyM Nov 2019 #172

Thank you, JudyM. The intentions of the GOP could not be more clear since Trump. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #179

O, jesus- Nice headline, nice source link, nice try. No points, but, keep trying, Sunshine! NBachers Nov 2019 #176

I don't give a damn about any of this. We need to select who can win. Period. EveHammond13 Nov 2019 #177