Democratic Primaries

thesquanderer

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33. It doesn't take "credentials" to get onto the debate stage.

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 11:02 AM

Nov 2019

It takes money and organization.

So the question becomes whether it takes "credentials" to stay there, or to get significant support... and I think the answer is still No.

Buttigieg has generally been reasonably impressive in the debates. More so than Klobuchar, though she finally seemed to find some more solid footing at the last one. But heck, Williamson, Steyer, and Yang arguably have less credentials than Buttigieg, and they got onto the stage. Once you're there, it's things other than "credentials" that determine whether you stay there. If Klobuchar trails the less credentialled Buttigieg, I think their genders have little to do with it.

Honestly, Obama's credentials weren't so strong either. And I don't think sexism is any more of a burden than racism.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Klobuchar: Woman with Buttigieg's record wouldn't be in debate [View all] TexasTowelie Nov 2019 OP

I've been under the impression that being on the debate stage was decided Arkansas Granny Nov 2019 #1

The criteria is unique donations + qualifying polls JonLP24 Nov 2019 #3

The amount of media attention is directly related to how many individual donations pnwmom Nov 2019 #9

Crying sexism when it is not warranted is disgusting. Chemisse Nov 2019 #2

She is absolutely right. A 37 year old woman mayor of a town of 100K would be laughed off the stage. pnwmom Nov 2019 #8

What if that woman was openly gay/Christian/Vet? Funtatlaguy Nov 2019 #10

She wouldn't run not least because virtually no one would encourage her to BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #11

Quite possibly. Sexism certainly exists and I will never Funtatlaguy Nov 2019 #14

Exactly StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #27

actually lesbians have been far more sucessful than gay men dsc Nov 2019 #38

"She'd be told to go get more credentials." Isn't that exactly what many have said about Pete? Quackers Nov 2019 #53

Pete was promptly and enthusiastically embraced by the donor class and its attendant chatterers BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #54

No. A 37 year old lesbian mayor wouldn't be taken seriously either, pnwmom Nov 2019 #15

A 70+ year old female small state senator in rumpled clothes and unkempt hair StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #43

No? I thought they'd love a 70 year old female socialist! pnwmom Nov 2019 #44

re:"A 37 year old woman mayor of a town of 100K would be laughed off the stage." thesquanderer Nov 2019 #22

She actually was laughed off the stage StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #28

It doesn't take "credentials" to get onto the debate stage. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #33

How do you get money to build the organization? BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #34

I don't know how Pete raised the money. But... thesquanderer Nov 2019 #35

It doesn't help politically but she made a point that everyone here should grasp BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #37

Aggression, elitism ... But don't forget "ambition" StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #41

It's nuts BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #48

If sexism isn't a burden for women, then how come no woman has ever been President, pnwmom Nov 2019 #46

I did not dismiss sexism. But... thesquanderer Nov 2019 #49

Sexism isn't the only reason we've had no women presidents? StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #59

There are tons of presidents we "haven't had"... thesquanderer Nov 2019 #62

As a black woman who has often been a "first," I can tell you, without equivocation StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #64

Except I never said there was no sexism (or no racism). Only that it was not the ONLY factor. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #65

She was by DEMOCRATS. nt pnwmom Nov 2019 #45

Smart vs. stupid, and sexist vs. not, do not split along party lines. (n/t) thesquanderer Nov 2019 #50

My opinion is that Democrats are smarter and also less sexist. n/t pnwmom Nov 2019 #51

Even if your opinion is true... thesquanderer Nov 2019 #55

And yet he wasn't. Cartaphelius Nov 2019 #24

Except she is absolutely right obamanut2012 Nov 2019 #12

Well good thing she isn't doing that. MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #20

Her main point isn't that he's unqualified BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #4

Records.. kevink077 Nov 2019 #5

lol obamanut2012 Nov 2019 #13

This is not about Amy. There hasn't been a single woman President ever, even though pnwmom Nov 2019 #16

Ahh the Boss from Hell again judeling Nov 2019 #19

Ummm. StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #29

I'm glad she said this. and of course Clinton was a victim of sexism. Kurt V. Nov 2019 #6

So Senator don't vote for him in the Primary! whistler162 Nov 2019 #7

Whoosh...... MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #21

At least you know you missed the point! whistler162 Nov 2019 #67

What's Trump's qualifications? IronLionZion Nov 2019 #17

She ain't wrong Tarc Nov 2019 #18

As was pointed out the last time this was posted, Marianne Williamson debunked that idea LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #23

You beat me to it. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #58

How has Williamson debunked this idea? StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #60

She made it to the debates with no political record at all. None. Zip. Nada. LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #68

I agree with Amy Gothmog Nov 2019 #25

This is true. StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #26

+1000. nt pnwmom Nov 2019 #47

Uh, Tulsi Gabbard says "Hi"... from the debate stage zaj Nov 2019 #30

It's also not a good look for any Dems to bash everyday people... zaj Nov 2019 #31

In day all of this while agreeing... zaj Nov 2019 #32

Marianne Williamson. nt redqueen Nov 2019 #36

I don't know how Klobuchar can make this claim with Williamson having made the debates aikoaiko Nov 2019 #39

Well it's getting her some attention. redqueen Nov 2019 #40

She's a pop media person with a large preexisting platform. nt pnwmom Nov 2019 #57

Right, people, men and women, with lesser credentials have to do things to gain attention aikoaiko Nov 2019 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author jalan48 Nov 2019 #42

I'm uncomfortable with Amy's position some - the way it came across maybe and partly Jarqui Nov 2019 #52

She's not wrong Bettie Nov 2019 #56

Sounds like Amy is getting ready to fold up her tent. jalan48 Nov 2019 #63

It does look like a hail mary, but we'll see. n/t MarcA Nov 2019 #71

I have to say it is beyond irritating as a gay male dsc Nov 2019 #66

Grover Cleveland had less. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #69

She's absolutely right. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #70