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174. South Bend is obviously far from perfect, especially on racial issues, but Buttigieg

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:36 AM

Nov 2019

did raise metrics across the board (even though, like most all other cities and states, we (I am part black) PoC still lag behind all other demographic groups on average in most areas of well-being.) He also was reelected with over 80% of the vote, which included the vast majority of African-Americans who voted (and that was after the often misrepresented Boykins issues, which hit when Pete had been mayor for only 6 days.) The other big issue was the tragic police fatal shooting in June, which really kneecapped his A-A primary support (he was even up to 6 or 7% of black support, and rising, in South Carolina, his worst state) which cratered after that.

I fully admit it is a very large (and quite possible fatal) systemic issue for his nomination chances. Perhaps he can toil and claw and work his arse off and win some more of my fellow PoC over. It remains to be seen.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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DEBATE THREAD #2 [View all] brooklynite Nov 2019 OP

Other than Harris vs Gabbard, I'd say there aren't a lot of fireworks. brooklynite Nov 2019 #1

might change soon, but I have no general vibe on the whole thing nt Celerity Nov 2019 #7

We have to be a united bdamomma Nov 2019 #8

which is good, imo; elleng Nov 2019 #14

Buttigieg doesn't seem to have come under attack. brooklynite Nov 2019 #2

And we're back to round 2... brooklynite Nov 2019 #3

One of these does not belong here RainCaster Nov 2019 #4

Okay, preaching to the choir. Can we now move on from Tulsi? Please? ancianita Nov 2019 #6

Thanks elleng Nov 2019 #10

Tulsi bdamomma Nov 2019 #12

First you talk cat fight, now talking about pretty face. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #16

K&R bdamomma Nov 2019 #5

Maybe it's impeachment hearing burnout, but nobody has stood out so far Blaukraut Nov 2019 #9

They are pretty much reaffirming their qualifications and going over their plans. We are in the emmaverybo Nov 2019 #18

I think this one will be more subtle FreeState Nov 2019 #21

Russian plant say what? onecaliberal Nov 2019 #11

She really ought to primary 45 in the other party. Kind of Blue Nov 2019 #37

I like Pete's answer including Tumbulu Nov 2019 #13

Why is Tulsi up there!?!? Tumbulu Nov 2019 #15

in the white power suit again appalachiablue Nov 2019 #47

I like all of them. H2O Man Nov 2019 #17

Ditto! elleng Nov 2019 #22

Thank you Friend elleng! H2O Man Nov 2019 #32

Even Tulsi? nt tblue37 Nov 2019 #44

Agreed! Thank you for posting this emulatorloo Nov 2019 #78

Gabbard lost me a long time ago Mersky Nov 2019 #19

I'm out. Have fun. SaschaHM Nov 2019 #20

Good point. blm Nov 2019 #57

Head shot to Steyer. nt UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #23

Stier has too many priority one topics RainCaster Nov 2019 #24

Biden makes a good hit on Steyer. Though Steyer continues THE issue of my man, Inslee. ancianita Nov 2019 #27

Here's hoping Lefta Dissenter Nov 2019 #46

Thank you. He truly is on levels this government hasn't yet recognized. ancianita Nov 2019 #51

LOL "Donald tRump got punked" tishaLA Nov 2019 #25

+100000 Celerity Nov 2019 #26

Loved it MustLoveBeagles Nov 2019 #30

Kamala had a strong moment there MustLoveBeagles Nov 2019 #28

trump got plunked Gothmog Nov 2019 #33

Glad that Biden gets a general laugh while making a point about North Korea and Trump. ancianita Nov 2019 #29

Biden always impresses me with his foreign policy bona fides n/t Blaukraut Nov 2019 #31

A very important strength of his, elleng Nov 2019 #39

The heart attack has overall calmed Sanders down a lot, and he still says the same things, just Celerity Nov 2019 #34

Yang good reply. spooky3 Nov 2019 #35

No Real stand outs judeling Nov 2019 #36

Booker has been pretty good, Harris too, Klobuchar started strong, but plateaued, Bernie has seemed Celerity Nov 2019 #52

I don't like these last questions concerning foreign policy Hav Nov 2019 #38

I agree with Yang about the problem of data and valuing it for all Mersky Nov 2019 #40

Booker is looking really smart about international political/trade priorities. But he didn't really ancianita Nov 2019 #41

I see why Amy is supposed to be mad at Pete judeling Nov 2019 #42

Booker good on our loss of moral authority and credibility inhibiting our ability to call out emmaverybo Nov 2019 #43

+1 MustLoveBeagles Nov 2019 #45

I am liking Kamala, Cory and Yang. stopbush Nov 2019 #48

These questions suck BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #77

That moving background hurl Nov 2019 #50

RIGHT?? ancianita Nov 2019 #53

Dizzying now that I notice it. Reminds me of a revolving restaurant. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #54

Warren, must serve army - yuk Beringia Nov 2019 #55

I totally agree about Green service and the Peace Corps. Mersky Nov 2019 #60

Certainly not a vote winner among the young Hav Nov 2019 #65

That was pretty darn good from Buttigieg Mersky Nov 2019 #56

The biggest wall in he world was built long before the 17th century! at140 Nov 2019 #137

True, but the point still worked Mersky Nov 2019 #146

GO YANG on white supremacy! Very smart on dealing with white male issues. ancianita Nov 2019 #58

Right? redqueen Nov 2019 #183

total whiff from Gabbard on the white supremacy question - her solution is singing kumbaya, it seems NRaleighLiberal Nov 2019 #59

Biden's great on changing the culture of how we treat women, starting on American campuses. ancianita Nov 2019 #61

yes, not the best verb to use over and over and over again.... NRaleighLiberal Nov 2019 #62

Just the gaffe of the moment, imo. Pretty funny. ancianita Nov 2019 #63

And that men must be a part of the change, those willing to change. He went to campuses emmaverybo Nov 2019 #67

Yes, and ahead of its time. ancianita Nov 2019 #72

Thank you. Yes. Good point. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #185

Sen Harris's answer about black women is great tishaLA Nov 2019 #64

She's on fire. I want to leave, but with the exception of the Villian, everyone's doing well. SaschaHM Nov 2019 #66

It was fantastic! Tumbulu Nov 2019 #68

Yes MustLoveBeagles Nov 2019 #69

totally agree and I also liked Pete's answer about feeling an obligation to work with all in a Celerity Nov 2019 #73

Harris: Justice is on the ballot Mersky Nov 2019 #70

I'm absolutely not "feeling" Buttegieg's likening his own experience to black people's when he ancianita Nov 2019 #71

Not a good idea to try to equate. I absolutely believe gay rights are civil rights. But his emmaverybo Nov 2019 #84

Agree Bayoustep Nov 2019 #189

That says it all. And then there's history, which we are born into. Buttigieg and his people's, emmaverybo Nov 2019 #190

Agree! He has a bright future but not as 46. Small town mayor to president...no Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #85

that is not what he said, he said that even if people had nothing in common in terms of Celerity Nov 2019 #95

I get the empathy rhetoric. I'm analyzing him based on what he's done. He's smart, but not ancianita Nov 2019 #107

South Bend is obviously far from perfect, especially on racial issues, but Buttigieg Celerity Nov 2019 #174

My issue with Buttegieg is not about "far from perfect." How he reacted when he was kneecapped ancianita Nov 2019 #176

he has very detailed, bold ideas on helping end systemic damages from hundreds of years of racial Celerity Nov 2019 #179

Thank you so much for this. I assume you posted this in the candidates' threads & will check it out ancianita Nov 2019 #180

If that's his strategy for increasing the black vote, he needs to rethink it. SaschaHM Nov 2019 #98

Me, too. I've heard those naive false equivalencies, too. ancianita Nov 2019 #114

Booker's idea of "authentic connection" is fabulous, and his hit on Biden is great! ancianita Nov 2019 #74

Stinks. Biden made clear he would decriminalize and let folks imprisoned for marijuana emmaverybo Nov 2019 #75

It's too bad really MustLoveBeagles Nov 2019 #154

Welp. Cory just won the debate! LOL! ecstatic Nov 2019 #76

Sorry. That attack on Biden came across as snarky, adolescent, and pre-planned. Booker hasn't highplainsdem Nov 2019 #80

Cory being too clever by half will lead to his undoing. nt oasis Nov 2019 #87

Geez, no one can say anything to Biden without his people being outraged, I tell you. It was funny. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #97

Funny to Biden haters. Which doesn't include the black electorate Booker thinks he's winning. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #115

Agreed Raine Nov 2019 #100

I like Biden but I thought that was the ecstatic Nov 2019 #105

It was very adolescent. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #122

A little respect for your fellows, especially the guy on the stage who has been an exemplary emmaverybo Nov 2019 #168

How about if Joe did his wonderful laugh. The twinkle in his eye, points to Booker and says, .... Jewls2 Nov 2019 #177

So unpresidential unless you count Trump as a president. Sure Joe could have come back, but emmaverybo Nov 2019 #182

Silliness. I remember moments HRC had a good laugh and thumbs up. Was warm. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #184

Yes. Joe should probably get something ready since people like to take pot shots to elevate emmaverybo Nov 2019 #186

Po Joe, lol. I have more faith in Joe, I guess. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #187

I don't think that crack hurt Joe. I think it was not a good look for Booker, but he has to do what emmaverybo Nov 2019 #188

Right? And Biden's high to say that he's "in" with black people. ancianita Nov 2019 #83

Joe is definitely "in" with us and he knows it. Deal with it. Skya Rhen Nov 2019 #101

Haha. Okay, then! Great! ancianita Nov 2019 #128

Actually I thought he was great before that bit Hav Nov 2019 #86

Kinda not great to say you've been endorsed by the only black woman tishaLA Nov 2019 #79

Eh, that was misspeak Mersky Nov 2019 #82

I thought I heard him say "first elected..." the first time Hav Nov 2019 #91

He corrected it after Sen Harris spoke up tishaLA Nov 2019 #102

Biden: I come out of the black community BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #81

Most impressive that Sens. Booker and Harris tishaLA Nov 2019 #88

But if they had, it would have been their bad. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #104

Even for Obama, that's just the dumbest damn thing he could say. Seriously. ancianita Nov 2019 #90

I was like..."DID I REALLY JUST HEAR THAT CORRECTLY?" bullwinkle428 Nov 2019 #111

Pretty clearly boomer_wv Nov 2019 #113

It was inept BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #120

Go on boomer_wv Nov 2019 #142

He clearly said "in terms of my support" at the end of that sentence Hav Nov 2019 #169

yes boomer_wv Nov 2019 #173

Thank you, Cory Booker, for confronting Joe Biden's cannabis stance. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #89

Best laugh line of the night. ancianita Nov 2019 #92

Made me laugh. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #108

Crap. And he misstated Joe's stance on imprisonment which was pretty much his whole argument. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #117

Klobuchar was on the nose about codifying Roe. Mersky Nov 2019 #93

I'm disappointed with some of Rachel's questions tonight. nt ecstatic Nov 2019 #94

I think she is a tad burnt out from the Impeachment coverage. She has done massive heavy lifting in Celerity Nov 2019 #103

Good point. I'll give her a pass. ecstatic Nov 2019 #109

Me, too. ancianita Nov 2019 #127

Booker is killing it tonight! I can't believe how great he's become to me! ancianita Nov 2019 #96

2% Skya Rhen Nov 2019 #110

lol. nt ecstatic Nov 2019 #139

whatev ancianita Nov 2019 #171

Good on Sen Booker for bringing up Stacy Abrams tishaLA Nov 2019 #99

So many good responses and the moderators are great. Nt spooky3 Nov 2019 #106

The debate will be running long... brooklynite Nov 2019 #112

Klobuchar really has chosen Pete as her target Hav Nov 2019 #116

But she didn't trash him like Gabbard did. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #123

Pete just confronted Tulsi. Nt spooky3 Nov 2019 #118

Gabbard is horrible. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #119

I have never before been so disgusted with a Democratic candidate for president. (eom) StevieM Nov 2019 #129

Mayor Pete should have just ignored her liberalmediaaddict Nov 2019 #131

Pete FTW!, NAILED GABBARD on meeting with Assad. Celerity Nov 2019 #121

And then she accused him of cowardice. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #126

Beto tried the same thing, because Pete, (the same as most all the other candidates as well) said Celerity Nov 2019 #150

Beto didn't accuse anybody of cowardice. He argued but he didn't insult. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #153

+1 MustLoveBeagles Nov 2019 #159

He said Pete lacked courage because he disagreed with Beto on mandatory buybacks, Celerity Nov 2019 #166

Gabbard is slow on her feet...her come back could have been at140 Nov 2019 #172

Tulsi vs. Pete makes her THE most naive vet I've heard when it comes to Putin and international ancianita Nov 2019 #124

the examples she gave were US PRESIDENTS meeting with another national leader Celerity Nov 2019 #135

I'm not sure of your point, mainly because Putin is not Stalin. I hope we agree on her. ancianita Nov 2019 #143

She is a menace, and my point was simple, her examples were at Presidential level, she went Celerity Nov 2019 #155

Got it. Thanks. All that, yes. ancianita Nov 2019 #160

cheers! Celerity Nov 2019 #167

Did you srr hae facial expression at the end of that? She knows she shouldn't have done it. nt napi21 Nov 2019 #136

The Putin puppet can't be allowed a platform to attack the Democratic party onecaliberal Nov 2019 #125

Needs to have the judgment to not carry fox talking points Mersky Nov 2019 #130

Well, Steyer might do well to organize for a candidate who has a chance to create the widest emmaverybo Nov 2019 #132

Works for me. ancianita Nov 2019 #141

Wow! Tulski is a real piece of work! ecstatic Nov 2019 #133

+10000 Mersky Nov 2019 #140

Booker's closing statement is FANTASTIC tishaLA Nov 2019 #134

Steyer shhhh! dustyscamp Nov 2019 #138

I'm still for JOE! His closing statement was the best! n/t napi21 Nov 2019 #163

Who has qualified for December's debate so far. Politicub Nov 2019 #144

Let Tulsi not make it. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #151

I'm with you. Politicub Nov 2019 #170

I do not see how Tulsi could possibly make the two poll criteria's. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #178

Klobuchar had her moments. I like her, but I like other candidates better. alfredo Nov 2019 #181

Tulsi talking about respect when she doesn't madaboutharry Nov 2019 #145

I couldn't even follow it and couldn't rephrase what she said Hav Nov 2019 #148

GO, AMY! GREAT CLOSING!! ancianita Nov 2019 #147

Good Speech Amy! dustyscamp Nov 2019 #149

Now Tulski wants to talk about respect ecstatic Nov 2019 #152

PETE BUTTIGIEG dustyscamp Nov 2019 #156

Strong closing for Harris. She found a theme that speaks to all Americans. I think Joe found one emmaverybo Nov 2019 #157

Harris had excellent closing remarks Mersky Nov 2019 #158

GO, LIZ! ENDING CORRUPTION ENDS CORPORATISM AND PROMOTES THE FOUNDERS' USA! ancianita Nov 2019 #161

Thank you, Warren Mersky Nov 2019 #162

Booker and Klobuchar KILLED it tonight! BUT. I feel Biden and Warren's experience and power. ancianita Nov 2019 #164

Not a good closing statement for Biden Hav Nov 2019 #165

He had an off night Mersky Nov 2019 #175