Democratic Primaries

Martin Eden

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42. My biggest problem with Biden was foreign policy

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:10 AM

Nov 2019

Same problem I had with Hillary.

In 2002 during the mad rush to war with Iraq with all the lies and PNAC agenda we needed strong Democratic leaders to stand up and speak truth to power in opposing this colossal strategic blunder which was, ultimately, a war crime.

It's difficult for me to put into words how hurt and betrayed I felt when nearly half the Democrats in Congress voted to give GW Bush the power to invade Iraq.

I was especially upset with John Kerry, who garnered national attention as a leader of Vietnam Veterans against that disastrous war.

And I have never forgotten or forgiven others who enabled the disastrous war of GW Bush rather than leading the fight against it.

Having said that, i will support whichever candidate I think has the best chance to beat Donald Trump, even if it's Joe Biden.

And I will, of course, vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Gene Robinson thought Biden did well in the debate. He added that in fact "it was [View all] highplainsdem Nov 2019 OP

I thought his closing statement was quite strong, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #1

Nope squirecam Nov 2019 #2

I'll Eugene Robinson and his commentary anytime. Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #7

He did great! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #3

Kick! Hekate Nov 2019 #4

He's been in the field actually doing what a lot of them can only talk about. Liked his optimism at emmaverybo Nov 2019 #5

Thought he did well too, although I couldn't watch it as closely as I wanted. Hoyt Nov 2019 #6

I don't think so either. Although Lawrence did his best to hurt Biden. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #24

"Just a Bidenism" grading on a curve StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #8

And yet he has been entirely substantive and well spoken so often from his launch on. That he emmaverybo Nov 2019 #25

Everyone knows he was referring to Carol Moseley Braun, first black woman elected to the Senate sop Nov 2019 #9

Everyone DOESN'T know that StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #11

The lowest common denominators may not know. LanternWaste Nov 2019 #47

Well, Lawrence O'Donnell is not only attacking him for it, but claiming he, Lawrence, was probably highplainsdem Nov 2019 #14

And saying Carol Mosely Braun was unimportant is insulting a black woman senator! The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #18

Very insulting. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #20

He didn't say she was unimportant - he said her endorsement didn't mean much StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #23

She has been out of the Senate for 20 years, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #26

I think O'Donnell was very disrespectful toward Carol Moseley Braun...what arrogance! Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #45

Biden will probably Cha Nov 2019 #10

Lawrence O'Donnell totally exaggerated the reference the to first black woman senator, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #12

Yep. See reply 14. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #16

This is why I don't watch Lawrence O'Donnell's show anymore...I don't like his treatment of Biden. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #17

I've liked his show at times, but O'D kind of flopped on Maher & Colbert. Haven't watched in months. Hoyt Nov 2019 #27

I loved him and watched every night...he has shown more deference to GOP types than to Biden who Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #44

Same here Green Line Nov 2019 #34

I hardly ever watch MSNBC these days for that reason. Did you notice last night,they Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #43

L.O. revealed his bias against Joe. nt oasis Nov 2019 #28

It's silly boomer_wv Nov 2019 #13

Wow. Lawrence just went after him tishaLA Nov 2019 #15

I understood what Biden meant...Lawrence deliberately tried to twist it. He has not been Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #19

And then O'Donnell said the endorsement of Carol Mosley Braun was The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #21

Indeed he did and it was unnecessary and distasteful. Harris and Biden are friends. I doubt Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #22

People like to trash Biden to make themselves sound good. Going against the front-runner, picking emmaverybo Nov 2019 #30

Biden's strongest moments were regarding . . . peggysue2 Nov 2019 #29

Ah. Exactly. No other comes even within range of his knowledge and experience in regard to emmaverybo Nov 2019 #31

Yes, and it seems voters being polled are seeing it too! His RCP avg 12.7 Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #40

I couldn't believe an RCP avg of 12.7%, so I headed over to take a look. That is amazing. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2019 #41

My biggest problem with Biden was foreign policy Martin Eden Nov 2019 #42

My advice is don't live in the past...we had been attacked...and many good Dems who objected to Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #46

Bidenism. So sad. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #32

He demonstrated a massive bias JackInGreen Nov 2019 #33

He was terrible squirecam Nov 2019 #35

Which night was he great? Renew Deal Nov 2019 #37

Your candidate looked like she was hopped up on cocaine the entire night. phleshdef Nov 2019 #39

I half agree Renew Deal Nov 2019 #36

I agree. Biden had a great night because he spoke and carried like underthematrix Nov 2019 #38

Eugene Robinson-"sounded authoritative in a way that showed his experience and his stature as Vice P Gothmog Nov 2019 #48