Democratic Primaries

thesquanderer

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108. I'm actually disappointed Biden would take that shot.

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 05:35 PM

Nov 2019

I didn't like when Harris and Booker went after Biden with similar shots, and I liked that Biden didn't engage in that sort of thing. By "similar shots" I mean, it's nothing based on the current policy positions or the like, but rather a critique of something in the past, and perhaps in a way to imply something not quite true.

In this case, as has been discussed here before, Sanders did suggest that primarying Obama might be a good thing, but not for the purpose of replacing Obama on the ticket, but rather to counter the forces that were pulling him to the right by providing some pressure from the left as well. Sanders wanted some force to start to pull Obama to the left because he seemed to be looking to appease the right. Remember chained CPI? Raising the Medicare age to 67? BS was looking to make a statement and exert political pressure from the other side. You might not agree with the tactic, of suggesting it could be good if he were to be primaried, but it was not said in an attempt to actually prevent Obama from being re-elected, which is the implication if you don't know the context. This is more fully explained in this article:

https://www.thenation.com/article/yes-bernie-sanders-wanted-obama-primaried-in-2012-heres-why/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Biden WENT THERE! In the second hour of his interview with Don Lemon he said.... [View all] George II Nov 2019 OP

GOOD. betsuni Nov 2019 #1

It was a terrible "idea". Cha Nov 2019 #13

"I do a radio show every week. Over a million people hear it in about every state in the country. betsuni Nov 2019 #27

.. Cha Nov 2019 #49

The cumulative effects of decades of il-liberal undermining Hortensis Nov 2019 #71

Hello? DownriverDem Nov 2019 #72

He didn't make sure that people went to jail. Crimes but no time. mjvpi Nov 2019 #153

I think he decided saving lives more important, the ACA. betsuni Nov 2019 #160

I'm actually disappointed Biden would take that shot. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #108

It's about the 2020 election. betsuni Nov 2019 #110

I don't see how that relates to my post. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #111

You said such critiques, as Biden saying someone on stage said the President should be primaried, betsuni Nov 2019 #112

re: "Biden's comment was about the 2020 election" thesquanderer Nov 2019 #118

Sanders said this in 2018 at the 50th anniversary of MLK's assassination: betsuni Nov 2019 #119

That 2018 statement is, again, not what Biden was referencing in the OP's quote. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #122

Agree: sprinkleeninow Nov 2019 #176

Sanders has been relentlessly taking shots at Biden for weeks. This is mild compared to his shots. George II Nov 2019 #115

If sanders is the nominee, trump will win Gothmog Nov 2019 #175

Out of all our candidates, Sanders is second only to Biden in how well he polls against Trump. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #178

I have seen a great deal of the oppo that is out there on sanders Gothmog Nov 2019 #179

Obama did not need to be pulled left treestar Nov 2019 #180

Nobody cares. Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #2

Obviously some people do. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #3

We have another Person on stage ritapria Nov 2019 #4

No we don't. George II Nov 2019 #10

So a vote for the Iraq war means they didn't want the Iraq war to happen? Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #15

Read HRC's speech at the time she voted for the resolution. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #35

Sanders voted for every vote in the Iraq war but one. His conviction was light, if he was only Jewls2 Nov 2019 #55

The ONE he voted against was the ONE that specifically authorized sending troops. (n/t) thesquanderer Nov 2019 #81

IF certain conditions are met. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #105

Right. But the ones he DID vote for did NOT authorize the invasion. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #107

What is disingenuous is having this conversation about the vote 17 yrs later Jewls2 Nov 2019 #141

I'm not the one who brought it up. (n/t) thesquanderer Nov 2019 #146

Does anyone remember Hans Blix? oasis Nov 2019 #66

Biden didn't vote for the war, he voted for the AUMF which had conditions attached to it. George II Nov 2019 #78

Though he and Hillary admit the vote was a mistake. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #84

Again George Bush formulated that policy. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #94

Yes we do melman Nov 2019 #20

Interesting, I don't see the word "war" anywhere in that quote above. George II Nov 2019 #76

lol melman Nov 2019 #93

My comment has nothing to do to find "that", it has to do with something else, "and you know it." George II Nov 2019 #95

Some folks are bound and determined to make sure NO Democratic politician Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #126

Deflection ... Look!! Squirrel !!!! n/t PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #61

Please do us all a favor DownriverDem Nov 2019 #75

Some people just won't, they'll bring up that one vote until they breathe their last breath. George II Nov 2019 #85

This nobody does. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #5

Oh, are you speaking for everybody? Cha Nov 2019 #6

I think probably the Democratic base does. That is why that one person will Jewls2 Nov 2019 #7

That person carried 22 states 4 years ago, 12 million votes as I recall ritapria Nov 2019 #16

LOL BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #19

Caucus states and open primary. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #21

They don't count! Let's undo all caucuses and open primaries! Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #30

It certainly tells a story. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #41

I am so glad there are far fewer caucuses this cycle Gothmog Nov 2019 #73

so many who went on to lose in the general...get rid of caucuses and open primaries...let Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #98

Like Hillary? Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #109

She won the Nevada primary...but plenty of folks who talked shit about Hillary...Republicans of Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #137

... PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #62

I'm not going to get drawn into a discussion of the previous primary, as you're doing... George II Nov 2019 #74

Oh, I think he already has...but unless Warren can expand her base to include AA voters, Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #96

What does Warren have to do with anything I said? Jewls2 Nov 2019 #106

I do, that precludes "nobody". George II Nov 2019 #9

Well I stand corrected. Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #14

I do. sheshe2 Nov 2019 #22

I care. A great deal. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #23

democrats care nt msongs Nov 2019 #25

you got that wrong. Cha Nov 2019 #50

There are a large number of real Drmocrats who respect President Obama Gothmog Nov 2019 #101

Hmm.. 46 recs as of now.. so about 8x as many care than on the average BS BS. Amimnoch Nov 2019 #152

Agree. But if they do, they better get over it in November 2020... SMC22307 Nov 2019 #163

This message was self-deleted by its author dweller Nov 2019 #8

Joe Biden actually did primary Obama. Is that who you mean? JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #11

Hello! that was Before Obama was President. Cha Nov 2019 #12

I did not say he was. JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #17

Biden and Obama were in the same Primary & Cha Nov 2019 #18

It really is amazing isn't it? BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #26

George ******* Orwell & The Twilight Cha Nov 2019 #33

And I though Kelly-Anne Conway couldn't be topped n/t PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #63

And he chose Hillary Clinton as his Secretary of State. George II Nov 2019 #67

Exactly.. President Obama's best rivals! Cha Nov 2019 #113

Ah, but you do not "know" that. You are guessing that HRC and Biden made Obama stronger. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #24

Biden specifically mentioned "the President". George II Nov 2019 #80

I wonder if you two are disagreeing about the meaning of the word bluedye33139 Nov 2019 #151

Give Joe a break ritapria Nov 2019 #28

Then what happened? BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #29

Then he lost his second attempt at running for president. Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #31

Yeah he did. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #32

He never became president. Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #34

Not yet anyway BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #40

Well it's looking like he probably won't. Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #42

I don't get the sense you are looking forward to it very much should it occur. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #43

I think it would be neat. Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #44

.. Cha Nov 2019 #36

Then Joe Biden became Vice President of the United States of America Cha Nov 2019 #38

Biden got to be Veep, and Bernie went back to being the Independent gadfly from Vermont Hekate Nov 2019 #48

The difference is Bernie won 22 primaries and caucuses on his own accord. Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #52

Joe Biden was a valued and trusted Vice President Cha Nov 2019 #53

Good lord 'n' butter. BS did not win the overall primary battle, Hillary did. She got more votes ... Hekate Nov 2019 #56

Sure. But the difference between Joe and Bernie is Joe lost every primary he ever competed for. Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #57

The difference betweet BS and Biden is Cha Nov 2019 #58

You forgot PatSeg Nov 2019 #77

Joe Biden has been a Life Long Democrat! Cha Nov 2019 #114

You're welcome! PatSeg Nov 2019 #142

Not to refight the 2016 primary (as you are doing) but BS won only 2 closed Democratic primaries.... George II Nov 2019 #139

Biden was in the 2016 primary? Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #143

Yeah, Joe Biden got to be a valued Veep and garner 8 years Cha Nov 2019 #54

+1, he became Obama's Vice President R B Garr Nov 2019 #69

And, then Obama chose him to be his VP candidate.. Cha Nov 2019 #37

Then there's that inconsequential Medal of Freedom LakeArenal Nov 2019 #92

Prescisely, LakeArenal! Biden wasn't just a "VP" to Cha Nov 2019 #116

Which was both high praise and a rational assessment of Obama's political gifts... Hekate Nov 2019 #46

He never primaried PRESIDENT Obama. Here are the candidates that ultimately primaried Obama: George II Nov 2019 #68

Who is the "he" referenced here? tia, las nt LAS14 Nov 2019 #138

That's the same stupid attempt of an argument Bernie tried Hav Nov 2019 #83

Devils advocate for a moment- mahina Nov 2019 #39

Indeed he did. Also, it was an exceptional interview. We gained a real respect for Don Lemon... Hekate Nov 2019 #45

Good to hear that from you, Hekate.. I've always Cha Nov 2019 #47

I discovered Lemon about three years ago, in my mind the absolute best CNN or MSNBC.... George II Nov 2019 #79

I watch and tape his show every night...love Lemon. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #99

This was a great interview Gothmog Nov 2019 #51

trump attacking Democracy duforsure Nov 2019 #59

Most POC of age at the time remember PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #60

It is despicable how some wanted to primary Barack Obama nt NYMinute Nov 2019 #64

So glad to hear this! mcar Nov 2019 #65

That was a great interview of Vice President Biden Gothmog Nov 2019 #70

that is standard left ideology. *all power should be under scrutiny all the time* Kurt V. Nov 2019 #82

Second hour? Darn it, I missed it. I thought Don had ecstatic Nov 2019 #86

I thought so too, but I watch him anyway. Then a little bit into the second hour he ran... George II Nov 2019 #87

Lemon broke the interview into four segments and ran one in second hour Gothmog Nov 2019 #90

Is Don Lemon doing 2 hour interviews with all the candidates? Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #88

It was one interview that CNN broke into four segments Gothmog Nov 2019 #91

Obama tells Democrats worried about the primary field to 'chill out' Gothmog Nov 2019 #89

"we have someone on the stage who said the President should be primaried" NurseJackie Nov 2019 #97

From the Thom Hartman show Gothmog Nov 2019 #104

yeah, BS owns that. Cha Nov 2019 #117

That's when I lost respect, too, Jackie. Cha Nov 2019 #121

It was treacherous. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #133

yes.. typical. Cha Nov 2019 #134

+++++, exactly what I was thinking. R B Garr Nov 2019 #140

Here is link to interview Gothmog Nov 2019 #100

Thanks. I was looking for it earlier. George II Nov 2019 #102

LOL Joe. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #103

BS owns this.. why didn't BS primary President Obama Cha Nov 2019 #120

Because it was rhetorical. Gasp. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #123

Nah.. BS made it clear.. why didn't BS put Cha Nov 2019 #124

I don't think you listened to the interview where he made that remark. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #125

So many people know this.. Joe Biden knows it.. Cha Nov 2019 #127

You're funny, cha. Sure, Bernie owns it. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #128

The Obama Campaign Remembers 2012 Very Differently Than Bernie Sanders Cha Nov 2019 #129

Anonymous sources on Buzzfeed during a campaign? aikoaiko Nov 2019 #130

".. the last word.."? Can BS & his supporters take "criticism" Cha Dec 2019 #190

Wanting to primary Obama is far more than criticism Gothmog Dec 2019 #191

Exactly, Goth.. Thank You! Cha Dec 2019 #192

BS needs to act like it then. Cha Nov 2019 #187

There are a good number of Obama supporters who will not support sanders in the primary Gothmog Nov 2019 #131

And thats fine with me. I just want Bernie to stay in until the convention aikoaiko Nov 2019 #132

I was at the convention in Philadelphia and sanders delegates hurt his campaign Gothmog Nov 2019 #148

Maybe so, but he'll undoubtedly still be a speaker at the convention. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #150

I will not forgive or forget the booing of JOHN Lewis, Elijah Cummings and Stacy Abrams Gothmog Nov 2019 #154

I don't think anyone asked you to forgive or forget. Its not required of you. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #155

I was at the convention and I saw the conduct of sanders and his delegates Gothmog Nov 2019 #156

Exactly, and making lame excuses to justify the booing of these Civil Rights leaders is pathetic still_one Nov 2019 #159

What was the reason for booing? betsuni Nov 2019 #161

Its all just politics. Politicians throw shade to help their friends, some people throw it back. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #162

What shade? betsuni Nov 2019 #164

You're funny. If you really are interested, just Google around a bit. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #165

Google what? betsuni Nov 2019 #168

he told me I was "funny", too.. Cha Nov 2019 #166

The "shade" is that they think Lewis was somehow saying Sanders lied betsuni Nov 2019 #167

Exactly, betsuni.. too damn Cha Nov 2019 #169

As if John Lewis was Mariah Carey: "I don't know her." betsuni Nov 2019 #170

Right.. Speaking of "advocates" who are too damn paranoid.. Cha Nov 2019 #171

Why were Delores Huerta, Stacy Abrams and Elijah Cummings booed? Gothmog Nov 2019 #172

There ya go! Cha Nov 2019 #177

Bernie Supporters Heckle Elijah Cummings at DNC Gothmog Nov 2019 #182

Sure, it was about policy, specifically the TPP. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #183

I am sad that anyone thinks that booing Congressman Elijah Cummings was proper Gothmog Nov 2019 #184

Either way, I'm glad Bernie is in the race. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #185

I am very glad that sanders will NOT be the nominee of the Democratic Party Gothmog Nov 2019 #188

Then Bernie is making us both happy. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #189

"Ironically, Cummings ... said he agreed with the protesters and consistently opposed trade betsuni Nov 2019 #186

They can take it. NONE of us will forgive him for Trump Hortensis Nov 2019 #181

No it wasn't uponit7771 Nov 2019 #173

Who ran against Obama in the 2012 primaries? Everyone seems to know, but not me. LAS14 Nov 2019 #135

I listed them all in my post #68. No one of any significance. George II Nov 2019 #136

Obama and Biden were trying to cut Social Security. Eric J in MN Nov 2019 #144

Obama didn't want to cut Social Security. It's as simple as that. George II Nov 2019 #147

Obama and Biden wanted to trade Social Security cuts Eric J in MN Nov 2019 #149

How dare he spread that misinformation. Cha Nov 2019 #158

No they weren't.. that's a damn myth! Quit Cha Nov 2019 #157

K&R Tarheel_Dem Nov 2019 #145

This is interesting Gothmog Nov 2019 #174