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14. I would just point out that Buttigieg is NOT particularly centrist

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 11:51 AM

Mar 2019

And he was elected mayor of the prototypically rust-belt city of South Bend, IN.

People who voted for Trump in 2016 in Michigan and so on and might vote for him again are UNREACHABLE. It's far more important to attract new and younger voters and stop wasting time trying to attract people who think Trump might deserve another term. They aren't going to vote for a centrist either.

and I am a Rustbelt centrist. Clinton was a centrist, I note, and she lost those states. Sure, sexism played a huge role, as did Russian cheating. But her being a centrist didn't counteract those, did it?

No one is going to vote for or against Trump because of policy considerations. If you vote for Trump, you're doing it because either you're a Republican who always votes Republican (unreachable by any Dem), or voting for him specifically because of some (cough) personal reason, like you like the way he hates the same people you hate. Unreachable.

We should support the Democrat who reflects our own values. One of these acceptable candidates will win the nomination. Centrism shouldn't be the most important consideration. Whoever gets new voters in-- that's important. And that might be someone who focuses on what's good for people, which might be a form of progressivism.

But the ones who would vote for Trump again? Forget them. They aren't going to be brought back into the land of the sane.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Electoral College Map...we need a centrist candidate to win the rustbelt to stop Trump. [View all] Demsrule86 Mar 2019 OP

Of course...but it's not popular to say. Socal31 Mar 2019 #1

If you look at this map without a candidate who can attract rustbelt voters we lose. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #2

There's a long way to go. Socal31 Mar 2019 #4

Look at the map. It is there in detail...you have to win the rustbelt...a debate isn't going to Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #5

Gross over-simplification. Socal31 Mar 2019 #8

It is a simple thing...we need to attract rustbelt voters in order to win the presidency in every Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #18

Last time we had a centrist candidate Lazy Daisy Mar 2019 #32

Wrong a centrist candidate didn't lose. A candidate who was beat up before the general Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #57

OK let's go with your logic Lazy Daisy Mar 2019 #90

Clinton was the only candidate who could win a general Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #136

+1 Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #149

ZING!!! No more centrists... it's time a true progressive, like Bernie, had a turn InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #255

I do not believe Bernie can win a general. If I did, I would vote for him... Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #287

That's fair, guess we just disagree.I'll take my chances w/ a progressive over a centrist every time InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #289

Exactly, all those breathless TPP exclamations were really R B Garr Mar 2019 #115

Yes..so now we have a gifted Democratic presidential who Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #137

I can't for the life of me understand TheFarseer Mar 2019 #188

She wasn't an incumbent, was she?! artislife Apr 2019 #348

"Last time we had a centrist candidate." borgesian Mar 2019 #123

Not accurate, Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #138

So someone to the right of Clinton. borgesian Mar 2019 #153

We are talking about 2020. It will be different this time. We need someone who can appeal to the Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #164

Someone who is not far left...a progressive can win. But our issues are important ...we run on the Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #179

She was widely MFM008 Mar 2019 #329

She was demonized by THE GOP for years and of course during 16 as well, she was the first Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #330

People who live in the rustbelt won't vote for far left or a socialist list in a general. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #269

+1. The EC allows the swing states to pick the POTUS. treestar Mar 2019 #266

Yes they do. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #268

You are right demosincebirth Mar 2019 #328

Simple facts don't require complicated verbage! at140 Mar 2019 #84

My verbiage is simple. You twist the words because you want to believe the Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #140

You are the authority on what appeals to the rust belt? Agschmid Mar 2019 #63

I live in Ohio...so yeah I know people in the rustbelt...I have worked elections for years too. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #76

Yes I did sacto95834 Mar 2019 #105

Clinton was not a moderate and she entered the General badly damaged Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #141

I'm going take this as a joke... sacto95834 Mar 2019 #169

Everyone (who wins) moves right in a general...she didn't win but it is the only play in a Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #175

Unfortunately Hillary's unfavorables were too high Sugarcoated Mar 2019 #185

I think joe has moved left too. But has credibility with Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #214

I've heard and read, can't remember where, Sugarcoated Mar 2019 #226

I think that is accurate. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #245

No it didn't escape my notice, but also look at who the rust belt actually voted for... Agschmid Mar 2019 #112

We don't need a centrist, we need a transformative candidate. marylandblue Mar 2019 #3

That is not possible in time for 20. It will take years. And if Trump re-elected,we are screwed Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #6

What's not possible for 2020? Getting a President and Congress who can really get things done? marylandblue Mar 2019 #12

What we need mostly is Trump gone and in order to select judges the Senate...but the most important Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #22

I hope we get both the Senate and the house...but looking at the map...a Senate win Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #80

Reagan lost once zaj Mar 2019 #45

We can't afford to lose the next election.Ginsberg is not going to last another four years- I fear. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #81

or at least 6 to 3 for the next 30 years...n/t Moostache Mar 2019 #111

That is a nightmare, Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #124

To be honest, there never was a "liberal coalition", there was a left-leaning coalition. Remember.. George II Mar 2019 #280

If we get Trump out, we can take steps to minimize the damage. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #285

O.K. I'll bite....centrist how? doompatrol39 Mar 2019 #7

Biden can win the general...he can win in the states we need. Beto has a shot. Amy klobachar has a Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #11

I don't think Mayor Pete is as big a risk as it appears. marylandblue Mar 2019 #16

We don't know that for sure. It is a risk...I think about the Bradley effect. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #23

In that sense, almost all of our candidates are risks marylandblue Mar 2019 #27

That is a good point. However, picking a far left candidate will undoubtedly lead to a loss. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #31

The thing is TheRealNorth Mar 2019 #64

I am not attacking anyone...but if you run a candidate who is for reparations, basic income, Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #83

You're not totally wrong but i have to say TheFarseer Mar 2019 #189

Medicare for all has a 17% approval if workplace insurance goes away. It would Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #195

But you're using republican framing TheFarseer Mar 2019 #227

Those are awesome Republican framing/talking points you've got there. doompatrol39 Mar 2019 #265

We must win. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #270

Did not answer my question... doompatrol39 Mar 2019 #24

I said everyone. I would vote for Sen Sanders whom I dislike if I thought he could beat Trump. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #61

Right on all points. We can't trust next year's election in the hands of someone who won't attract.. George II Mar 2019 #281

Trump hurts the groups you mention far worse than any of the Democrats. And if you look at the map, Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #15

O.K. my question still stands... doompatrol39 Mar 2019 #20

Everyone...no one ever gets everything they want...and getting Trump out is all that matters. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #25

Not a socialist. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #143

Aaahhh...I see what you did there. doompatrol39 Mar 2019 #264

Haha...it varies ...some one that is progressive but in a big tent middle kind of way Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #271

Like Hillary was? (n/t) doompatrol39 Mar 2019 #273

You are wrong. Stare Decisis Mar 2019 #9

The only point of this election is to get Donald Trump out. He is a threat to country and the Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #13

You are not hearing me. Stare Decisis Mar 2019 #21

You won't get our people out in the rustbelt states with a far left candidate and you will lose the Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #26

Please define our people. Stare Decisis Mar 2019 #30

Democrats in the rustbelt tend to be moderate and we need independents...consider that we took back Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #34

I wonder if John Crawford would agree with you. Stare Decisis Mar 2019 #38

Oh please Moderate Democrats want to stop police shootings of POC...and it will get Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #65

True! True Blue American Mar 2019 #232

What is an "ascendant electorate"? And the OP was talking about our candidate, not electorate. George II Mar 2019 #279

Couldn't said it any better exboyfil Mar 2019 #10

I like Amy a great deal... Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #17

AZ might be in play with the right nominee but don't count on it Bradshaw3 Mar 2019 #139

Maybe our candidate will decide to visit Wisconsin during exboyfil Mar 2019 #144

Agree that old fashioned campaigning is needed Bradshaw3 Mar 2019 #163

We won the Senate seat and MCsally lost once. This shows how a good Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #145

Senate and off-year is different than presidential Bradshaw3 Mar 2019 #162

If we run a good candidate we mght get coattails. McSally still has lukewarm support IMHO. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #177

I would just point out that Buttigieg is NOT particularly centrist dawg day Mar 2019 #14

That is untrue all three PA, WI and MI elected a Democratic governor in statewide races Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #28

Up to 375 Electoral Votes earthside Mar 2019 #19

It is not about popular vote or polls ....look at the states that always go Republican...he could Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #29

The Democrat will win. earthside Mar 2019 #219

I hope you are right. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #247

Can we get the Popular Vote Compact enacted before 2020? SHRED Mar 2019 #33

Only blue states have done this...which is so stupid it makes my teeth ache...we lose Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #41

New Deal/ American System Luvapottamus Mar 2019 #35

I agree with everything you say...although Tariffs are more complicated these day. Trump's tariffs Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #42

Yes they are Luvapottamus Mar 2019 #168

I agree completely. The patent idea is brilliant. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #176

Tariffs Luvapottamus Mar 2019 #224

I agree Trump hurt manufacturing with his tariffs. It is complicated Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #246

Glad the convention is in Milwaukee. I hope the candidates show up in these states. 33taw Mar 2019 #36

Absolutely we need a grass roots effort in every state. I have long admired Dean's 50 state Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #44

I live in a red county in rural WI. When we promote our values, we do really well. 33taw Mar 2019 #107

A national election will involve party. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #122

Texas would solve a lot of problems. ucrdem Mar 2019 #37

I find that highly improbable. Stare Decisis Mar 2019 #40

It's happened before. ucrdem Mar 2019 #46

It could happen. It is an honor to have a president from your state...and Beto almost defeated Cruz. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #55

Virginia was improbable too ...until it wasn't. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #286

We can't count on Texas even if Beto is on the ticket. But I believe he would help in the rustbelt. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #47

BETO being on the ticket in any form is highly unlikely. Stare Decisis Mar 2019 #51

I disagree. Hd is my second choice after Biden. I think he could win. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #68

It's a great position for him (and us). John Fante Mar 2019 #236

He would help in Ohio for sure. ucrdem Mar 2019 #53

That would be a great ticket for the rustbelt and if we win Ohio, Trump is toast Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #69

I'm not sure how a man who lost to Ted Cruz can carry Texas. Autumn Mar 2019 #52

Well he would have more stature than he did last year ucrdem Mar 2019 #60

Yes he's more known, but I don't see how that would make a win against Trump a sure thing. Autumn Mar 2019 #66

Having a president that comes from your state is a very prestigious thing... so I think it could Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #70

trump could easily win 2020 unless we select an electable candidate Gothmog Mar 2019 #39

For fuck's sake how does someone like trump get elected Stare Decisis Mar 2019 #43

Look at the electoral college map. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #50

Most POTUS are re-elected for second term unless the economy is bad Gothmog Mar 2019 #58

That is true too. Although his economic policies particularly the steel tariffs and the China tariff Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #72

From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Mar 2019 #79

The thing is the economy is not great in Ohio. We have lost more auto /parts plants from Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #93

That is my point. I hear people basically saying anyone can beat Trump...that is not true. It will Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #48

And Republicans will do everything to protect their idiot. dalton99a Mar 2019 #71

That is clear. These folks don't care about the country. Trump is a traitor but he is their Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #73

I agree Gothmog Mar 2019 #298

He could win if we choose a candidate that moves too far left in a primary. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #306

We had a centrist candidate last time. shanny Mar 2019 #49

Yep, and unfortunately, the rabid attack from the far left will probably hurt this time too LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #56

"the far left" shanny Mar 2019 #59

I don't know what else you could call the socialists, but it's sad that you're amused by this LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #62

we have social democrats, not socialists shanny Mar 2019 #229

Jill Stein is far left. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #159

Really? shanny Mar 2019 #172

The Green Party has NO Credibility. In those critical SWING STATES, the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE still_one Mar 2019 #181

Sorry, but in a democracy people get to vote for whomever they please. shanny Mar 2019 #196

Here is Hillary's voting record. You made no case. That is the typial green party all or nothing still_one Mar 2019 #198

your ignorance of how Obama considered himself tells me all I need to know about your perspective. shanny Mar 2019 #230

No, your ignorance astonds me. It is where a person stands on the issues still_one Mar 2019 #262

If stein hadn't of LIED her Fucking head OFF Cha Mar 2019 #258

Why would anyone BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #276

Maybe because I wasn't. shanny Mar 2019 #294

You're Absolutely Right, stillone. Stein's RF LIES Cha Mar 2019 #259

It was stein's RF Fucking LIES about Hillary Cha Mar 2019 #257

This is exactly how it happened n/t BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #295

Meanwhile, adjectives such corporatist, establishment, centrist, third-way, and elitist TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #204

If you mean back-stabbing by some of our politicians, I agree. eom shanny Mar 2019 #218

No, back-stabbing does not apply to only politicians. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #231

HRC was first to push single payer! at140 Mar 2019 #91

HRC was not a centrist she was demonized by the far far green slime left and the Republicans Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #94

She was perceived as such BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #103

That is such nonsense...she lost in rustbelt states where centrists win...She faced a two Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #106

Centrism schmentrism, she lost where people were most desperate for change BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #125

She lost because of NAFTA. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #127

Way back in 1945 Harry Truman pushed for a national health insurance plan, shanny Mar 2019 #116

No we need clean elections and that the people can vote and their votes will be counted. Botany Mar 2019 #54

Look at the map in the red states we are going to lose more than likely so we must shore up Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #75

I am sick of bringing a gun to a knife fight. Botany Mar 2019 #128

I know but we can only fix this by winning states. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #130

I understand but to win those states we need to push 24/7 the following: Botany Mar 2019 #135

What you say about Lordstown is untrue. And you need the rustbelt Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #146

I don't know if we need a 'centerist' or not, but I do know a socialist comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #67

Indeed. I actuall prefer moderate...because moderates hold progressive views in many cases Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #74

Nope - I say we find the right progressive Democrat Fiendish Thingy Mar 2019 #77

You need someone who can win the rustbelt...a radical progressive will surely lose. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #89

Is this the same rust belt that rejected Paul Wellstone? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2019 #118

House seats are not statewide. BROWN WAS AN INCUMBENT Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #120

Feingold ran stand pat campaigns BlueWI Mar 2019 #190

I don't agree. Feingold's loss shows Sanders would not have won a general Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #202

A couple of points. BlueWI Mar 2019 #211

Feingold Johnson happened in16 . So this blows a big hole in your theory. that Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #239

You're right about the second Feingold-Johnson election BlueWI Mar 2019 #274

And it says to me if Feingold loss Sanders likely would have lost too. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #291

And wellstone was years ago-different time. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #129

All were elected the first time years ago. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #305

Yeah, I guess you're right Fiendish Thingy Mar 2019 #308

We don't want to give Trump for more years so yeah play it safe. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #310

There are no radical progressives in this race. John Fante Mar 2019 #303

There are some who can easily be painted that way, Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #304

Conservatives painted Obama as a marxist socialist communist. It didn't John Fante Mar 2019 #307

Obama was good at messaging, so it was hard to pin that label on him marylandblue Mar 2019 #309

Trump is better at it and we don't have an economic debacle and president with 28 % Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #311

More 4D chess crap. I'm pretty much done here. John Fante Mar 2019 #322

Just a Friendly Reminder: Russian Meddling Easily Flipped Enough Votes in Three States in 2016. malchickiwick Mar 2019 #78

And we will face that again I think. However, Jill Stein took enough votes to have Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #87

I disagree. I think EW's message will resonate in the Midwest. malchickiwick Mar 2019 #99

We lose two Senate seats under that scenario. I think EW has been demonized as Hillary was and will Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #102

She will be East Coast and is a bad fit for the rustbelt. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #209

Jill Stein didn't get centrist votes. KPN Mar 2019 #326

the candidate that generates the most enthusiasm, which translates directly to votes, Kurt V. Mar 2019 #82

No...that electoral college map says otherwise. We have a narrow path to victory...thus Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #85

did you look at that website's final 2016 prediction. It's embarrassing. Kurt V. Mar 2019 #109

I merely wanted to try the map...wining states and can seeing Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #126

we're all in to beat the orange menace. thanks for posting Kurt V. Mar 2019 #134

I want Trump gone...yellow dog voting time! Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #151

NONE OF OUR CANDIDATES ARE CENTRIST!!! Amimnoch Mar 2019 #86

I agree with everything you say. Perhaps I should say perceived centrist...those who can run Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #95

Thank you :) Amimnoch Mar 2019 #97

I like Beto too. He is my second choice...honestly I am pretty much liking him Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #100

Agreed on "centrists" TwilightZone Mar 2019 #160

I think you make a good point but I don't think it is an absolute point. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #88

Always better to leave room for the big picture general. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #96

Um, no. Just, no. Before everyone loses their shit about our need for a centrist... SKKY Mar 2019 #92

Look at the map. It is not about the number of votes but how the electoral college works. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #98

Exactly. 80K votes, spread across 3 states, that would have flipped the election... SKKY Mar 2019 #114

Incumbency has its advantages. Thus we need to select our candidate carefully, .. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #191

Meh. Get out the vote and stop voter suppression. OneBro Mar 2019 #101

Since it unlikely we can fix any of the above by 20, we have to over- achieve to win this election. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #104

Perhaps. OneBro Mar 2019 #108

Nope look at the house results. These are moderates who won in Districts that Trump carried Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #110

Opinion: The myth of ideology, and why Democrats' energy isn't all on the left Gothmog Mar 2019 #113

Great article, Thanks. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #132

The concept that we can nominate an extreme candidate does not work in the real world Gothmog Mar 2019 #142

Yes. He would lose badly. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #147

Do you want to be WOKE or do you want to win? Gothmog Apr 2019 #350

Agreed, socialism is not an option to discuss in the Rustbelt R B Garr Mar 2019 #117

I agree completely. Let's not hand the GOP a weapon to Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #133

Define "centrist" moose65 Mar 2019 #119

I already did. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #121

Oh really? moose65 Mar 2019 #148

There is no one size fits all but I will try, Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #156

Thank you for that reply moose65 Mar 2019 #170

The GOP will say what theyt will say but the ACA is already popular and people want it improved. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #173

umm...not so much notinkansas Mar 2019 #131

I would kill for status quo at this point. Let's see how about not running on Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #150

That is untrue. The seats that flipped were centrist...more than 30 Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #152

For the record, when a Website tells you 'here's the code to put it on your website' ... mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #154

I know. I was lazy. Sorry. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #157

All good ... just wanted to be sure you know how to do it :) mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #161

I am embarassed to admit I do know how, and it does look like crap. I was on a cell which is a pain Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #178

Progressive policies John Fante Mar 2019 #155

Why isn't Warren doing better? Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #158

A) It's early, Warren has time to catch up. John Fante Mar 2019 #171

I don't think EW can win a general. She has been demonized as Hillary was. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #174

How so? Hilary was pilloried for nearly 25 years before running in 2016, John Fante Mar 2019 #235

The pocohontas thing and the GOP have been after for years, Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #242

The pochantas thing. John Fante Mar 2019 #301

I never thought Hillary would lose but she did so yeah that sort of thing can work. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #333

Who did better in these states in 2016 - the "centrist" or the "leftist"? BlueWI Mar 2019 #165

Apples and oranges. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #166

Perhaps...but BlueWI Mar 2019 #182

Not really. Plenty of candidates have lost states n the primary and won them Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #207

Look at what actually happened. BlueWI Mar 2019 #212

I don't see it that way, we barely lost Wisconsin. And stein voters are to Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #216

Well, let's add facts and think a bit further. BlueWI Mar 2019 #233

The number of votes that went to Greens would have elected clinton. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #244

Primaries are meaningless...I believe Sanders would have lost a general. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #199

Clinton lost in the general - in the actual election. BlueWI Mar 2019 #203

If you can't win a primary there is no reason to believe you would win a general. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #205

I do remember. BlueWI Mar 2019 #234

He was progressive and should have won. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #243

You have to win a primary. Also Hillary won red states in 08 and Obama Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #267

Like Al Gore and John Kerry and Hillary Clinton and... progressoid Mar 2019 #167

What do all those candidates have in common. They were fucked over by Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #208

Guess what. There is going to be a Green candidate again in 2020. progressoid Mar 2019 #217

I have hope that folks won't be stupid enough to vote for a spoiler Green Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #248

4 articles on so-called "independents": Garrett78 Mar 2019 #180

I find the nation unreliable and ended my subscription after their vicious attacks on our 2016 Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #200

Your objection to The Nation aside, I suggest reading any of the 4 articles. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #263

They may be partisans but don't call themselves Democrats or Republicans for a reason. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #272

One last comment... BlueWI Mar 2019 #183

It was mentioned but is a good reminder. Those elected in 18 were Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #193

And the Senate /statewide map is worse for us than the house. Look at the map, Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #290

BS. the moron ran on populism here. of course he was lying for votes. pansypoo53219 Mar 2019 #184

Absolutely! But no, it's not a popular thing to say Thekaspervote Mar 2019 #186

Hillary was a centrist candidate TheFarseer Mar 2019 #187

She Also had NAFTA thrown at her, she had been demonized in the primary and by the GOP Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #192

I agree we need to beat Trump. TheFarseer Mar 2019 #194

Greens mattered in 16. We must beat Trump. And Stein peeled off Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #201

That's possible but TheFarseer Mar 2019 #222

Greens exist to help Republicans beat us,. They are worthless scum. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #241

Biden voted for NAFTA. John Fante Mar 2019 #238

She was a Clinton. It is different. And she had been demonized for years. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #240

Why would you think we need to attract anti-trump Republicans? aidbo Mar 2019 #197

Some have left the GOP because of Trump. This is the lowest number of Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #206

No we don't. We need to elect someone who addresses their needs and concerns. Like healthcare, Autumn Mar 2019 #210

A candidate who appeals to the rustbelt can do all that. A candidate that can't Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #213

It doesn't have to be a centrist is my point. Every candidate we have running is not only Autumn Mar 2019 #215

I don't agree. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #249

That's fine because I don't agree with your premise that we must elect a centrist. Autumn Mar 2019 #250

If we run anyone but a moderate, we lose in 20. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #292

Jobs-- especially jobs andym Mar 2019 #220

That's something that needs to be addressed. And it the last election it was not addressed Autumn Mar 2019 #221

Hillary Clinton talked about job retraining programs andym Mar 2019 #223

The future IMO needs to be Green industries. No way around it. Autumn Mar 2019 #225

And how will you keep green jobs from moving overseas exactly? Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #260

Retraining is a dirty word in the Midwest. Thousand were retrained for jobs Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #261

Like who? Polybius Mar 2019 #228

Because that worked out so well for Hillary when she won all those rust belt states? IronLionZion Mar 2019 #237

the worst assumption. It never worked. AlexSFCA Mar 2019 #251

No, we need a great message about an great agenda of positions that will help Americans live better vlyons Mar 2019 #252

Obama did ALL of those things riverine Mar 2019 #254

How did it work out? vlyons Mar 2019 #256

Now all that remains is to define the term "centrist". guillaumeb Mar 2019 #253

The socialists BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #275

This is true. We need a candidate that the GOP can't succeed in painting as Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #284

Messina Says Sanders Can't Beat Trump Gothmog Apr 2019 #346

I agree. If Sanders is the nominee we lose. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #347

The Reublicans I hear from might go for mainstreetonce Mar 2019 #277

That is what I think too. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #283

Yes, those terrible "centrists" will save our Party and our country. We need them! George II Mar 2019 #278

We do. We have to get Trump out. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #282

Howard Schultz would certainly define himself as a "centrist". Which begs the question, bullwinkle428 Mar 2019 #288

He is no centrist or moderate Democrat. He is a spoiler independent like Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #293

The Democrats Trump Fears Most Gothmog Mar 2019 #296

Those are who I would expect him to fear. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #321

If the economy is strong, trump can win Gothmog Mar 2019 #297

Donald Trump has a plan to win re-election with just 45 percent of the vote Gothmog Mar 2019 #299

Which means we must make Trump 1000X super-radioactive dalton99a Mar 2019 #300

Trump's Fate Now Even More Squarely in Hands of the Voters Gothmog Mar 2019 #314

I like Larry, too, but I have been saying that since the day after the 2016 elections ... Cosmocat Mar 2019 #323

I know that is what he is up to. But if we vote it won't be close.enough Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #320

You are preaching to the choir Gothmog Mar 2019 #324

And won't win running a Socialist or a gay doc03 Mar 2019 #302

I would campaign like crazy for a gay candidate but you may be right Gothmog Mar 2019 #313

I live on the border of PA,OH and WV. These f---g doc03 Mar 2019 #315

I am in Texas Gothmog Mar 2019 #316

I don't disagree. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #319

What we NEED is a complete overhaul of the Electoral College Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #312

It is in the Constitution . Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #317

Something can always be done Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #318

Amendment that will go nowhere. Maybe we try to make it work for us, Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #325

No, we need a candidate who generates KPN Mar 2019 #327

The midterms showed we need moderate votes Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #336

The midterms were local districts and states. KPN Apr 2019 #339

Washington Post-'Electability' and 'Bernie' don't belong in the same sentence Gothmog Apr 2019 #331

I don't think Sanders can win a general. I will vote for the nominee but Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #334

I will support the Democratic nominee Gothmog Apr 2019 #337

Kicked and recommended Auggie Apr 2019 #332

Thank you. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #335

I don't necessarily think we need a centrist candidate as much as we need ... Auggie Apr 2019 #338

I agree nt Meowmee Apr 2019 #340

If sanders is the nominee, trump wins Gothmog Apr 2019 #341

According to this study trump could win Gothmog Apr 2019 #342

Better yet...why not a candidate that can win the rust belt AND deliver Texas? Indygram Apr 2019 #343

The actual attacks are irrelevant, what matters is the response. marylandblue Apr 2019 #344

According to Jim Messina, trump will beat sanders easily Gothmog Apr 2019 #345

The choice is Woke of Win Gothmog Apr 2019 #349

You mean, just like we did in 2016...? regnaD kciN Apr 2019 #351

You mean centrists like Rust Belt reps Rashida Tliab and Ilhan Omar? Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #352