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Blue_true

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38. Payne was a tailor and writer (an editor).

Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:03 PM

Nov 2019

His mom was from a wealthy family. But you are right, he did have to sell his house to pay off debt in England before coming to the colonies. But soon after arriving in the colonies he became editor of a prominent circular and a little later wrote a best selling pamphlet on the need for seperation from England. During that era, selling 80,000 to 125,000 of a piece of literature was the economic equivalent of selling ten times that number today, so he was not poor.

After you challenged me, I took some time and read more details about him. I see why you like him. He hated forced inequity among people and he had a revolutionary mindset (overthrow the powers that be to make things better for the common person).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Let's be honest and acknowledge that we are seeing a rapid movement [View all] Uncle Joe Nov 2019 OP

K n R ! Thanks for posting! JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #1

This scares me hugely OhNo-Really Nov 2019 #19

That doesn't sound good at all. Link is broken though - weird. The one below works. redqueen Nov 2019 #22

Extreme gerrymandering has allowed Republicans to pick their voters dlk Nov 2019 #2

Corporate power in state legislatures produces a gerrymandered Congress Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #6

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacy. LanternWaste Nov 2019 #16

Correlation may not necessarily be causation, but sometimes it is... dlk Nov 2019 #21

K&R redqueen Nov 2019 #3

If the young people in this country would consistently vote... it would change Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #4

If we give them candidates who say they are whining redqueen Nov 2019 #5

I'll take those candidates over trump awesomerwb1 Nov 2019 #9

I will too. I'd take a potted plant over Trump. redqueen Nov 2019 #14

If they voted en masse, they wouldn't need to be "given" a damn thing. Amimnoch Nov 2019 #25

You don't seem to realize how many see the entire process as rigged redqueen Nov 2019 #27

I love this comment. betsuni Nov 2019 #34

Yeah those yutes. All their fault. Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #8

Yeah, that's what this op is about, young people. LaurenOlimina Nov 2019 #26

What about the older people who have voted for 40-50 years? BlueWI Nov 2019 #30

And sadly it's not an uncommon sentiment. nt redqueen Nov 2019 #40

It is where we were in the late 19th century. Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #7

Yes, but trump is president & any that is how it musted be framed themaguffin Nov 2019 #10

Sick to my stomach James48 Nov 2019 #11

It's nothing new. TwilightZone Nov 2019 #12

"Old news" right? Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #13

My point is that it's not recent. TwilightZone Nov 2019 #17

The lead up to our nation's deadliest war took 72 years but we don't have that much time. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #18

+1,000 redqueen Nov 2019 #28

You're intentionally missing the point. TwilightZone Nov 2019 #35

Apparently you haven't been paying attention to Bernie's consistent message Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #37

So, nothing. Got it. TwilightZone Nov 2019 #43

Exactly. Blue_true Nov 2019 #24

You're kidding, right? BlueWI Nov 2019 #32

No one is downplaying wealth inequality. TwilightZone Nov 2019 #36

Name the historical stat that compares to what I cited. BlueWI Nov 2019 #46

And if not in 2020 - then almost certainly in 2024 sandensea Nov 2019 #15

It's certainly accelerating and becoming more entrenched. n/t MarcA Nov 2019 #20

The country was founded by rich men. Blue_true Nov 2019 #23

It depends on whether one counts Thomas Paine or the men and women that fought and/or died Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #29

Thomas Paine was a wealthy craftsman. Blue_true Nov 2019 #31

Thomas Paine barely avoided debtors' prison, he was more middle class than wealthy. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #33

Payne was a tailor and writer (an editor). Blue_true Nov 2019 #38

I didn't say he was poor, but middle class. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #39

See you tomorrow Uncle Joe, I am turning in early tonight. nt Blue_true Nov 2019 #42

I agree with your point on the political system. Blue_true Nov 2019 #41

I will leave you with this and then I'm turning in as well. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #44

it's called capitalism... myohmy2 Nov 2019 #45