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PatrickforO

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40. Agreed. The mathematical correlation of income and educational attainment is
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 11:47 PM
Nov 2019

nearly 100% - to your point, low income individuals tend to have lower educational attainment.

My dad was a high school dropout - he actually slugged his 10th grade teacher, which effectively ended his scholastic career. He became a salesman. He sold skis, business opportunities and finally real estate. He was also a restaurateur for a short time, and managed apartments in his so-called 'golden years.'

He encouraged me to go to college and said I'd make a good lawyer. But never having gone, he had no clue as to how to guide me in any way. And my high school career guidance experience sucked - I went into the counseling office and asked for guidance on what to do after high school, and was led into a little room filled with college catalogs. The result was it took me ten years to make it through undergrad because for about the first five I just took classes I liked without even looking at a catalog because I didn't know how to use one. Certainly my counselor who shall remain nameless because I've long since forgotten her name didn't tell me that stuff. She left me alone in the room. Seriously. And, I went in with 26 credits from the CLEP, but in the end that didn't help me all that much.

When I discovered how to use a college catalog to make a graduation plan, I did, and was able to finish it off in a couple years, graduating at age 28. The ten year plan.

But I was desperate to make it through because as a teen into my twenties I did redo apartment painting, which was brutal. I had forays into sales, but I was always terrible at selling. And that's really it if you don't have a degree or some technical training. Manual labor or sales. And I'm just not geared for that.

Now I'm white and was raised in suburbia. Went to decent public schools - not great, but decent. And way back when when I went to college, it cost about $500 a semester, with textbooks maybe another $120, so I graduated with no debt. Think about that for a minute.

College? Best thing I ever did, bar none. I had an uncle, though, who had graduated from Stanford, so I did have a role model. And there was always the expectation endemic to suburban, predominantly white schools like the one I went to - OF COURSE you're going to college!

It was touch and go, though. I almost didn't make it. Many times got discouraged. Many times went broke and had to drop out and go back to work.

Minority kids in the inner city attending impoverished schools don't have half the chance I did, and that's institutional racism. But they may also lack adult role models who not only value education, because pretty much everybody sees the value in it, but who actually went and got a college education and can then be a real role model for the kid to follow. That's where I think Pete went wrong - he used the word 'value' as opposed to pointing out there is usually a dearth of people with high educational attainment in low income neighborhoods, so kids may lack role models.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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I can't believe he's rising so much Polybius Nov 2019 #1
Buttigieg is in 2nd place nationally according to a flawed Quinnipiac Poll ritapria Nov 2019 #4
Yes we can.... phandancer917 Nov 2019 #9
I'm disappointed to keep seeing that at DU loyalsister Nov 2019 #13
Good point. zentrum Nov 2019 #14
Well said. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #26
Exactly loyalsister Nov 2019 #29
And blame the voters for a systemic racism guillaumeb Nov 2019 #30
Whatever the reason, if it results in lower turnout in the general, we have a major problem Nt lostnfound Nov 2019 #35
The author confuses the words imply and infer. It's a common but critical flaw in writing... LanternWaste Nov 2019 #2
I think they meant what they said. nt redqueen Nov 2019 #46
He's got it all wrong... jcgoldie Nov 2019 #3
So many seem to fear Buttigieg left-of-center2012 Nov 2019 #5
Yep. Nt BootinUp Nov 2019 #7
Harriot: "I want to be clear: Pete Buttigieg is a lying motherfucker." demmiblue Nov 2019 #6
Thanks for posting his reply. femmedem Nov 2019 #18
How Pro-Trump Russian Trolls Targeted Bernie Backers TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #8
Michael Harriot is a pro-Russian troll? BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #17
no, but he is a bomb throwing sensationalist, here is his hit job on Biden as more proof Celerity Nov 2019 #22
Michael Harriot is inflammatory in service of the truth. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #24
was Harriot in the service of truth here? Michael Harriot : I'm Not With Her Because I'm Petty Celerity Nov 2019 #25
I guess you have no problem with white people excluding black people while discussing black issues. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #27
no one is doing that now, that's pure rot, also read this (Buttigieg called Harriot and they talked) Celerity Nov 2019 #28
Which makes me think you didn't even read that. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #31
read his response Celerity Nov 2019 #33
I did. Did you? BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #34
I take nothing you say seriously, you have posted multiple attacks on Buttigieg on multiple threads Celerity Nov 2019 #36
And you have not addressed the issue at hand in any way. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #37
you have not addressed the issue at hand in any way. stonecutter357 Nov 2019 #41
You mean white people imposing their decisions on the black community BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #44
Here's what Pete actually said: PatrickforO Nov 2019 #10
+1 demmiblue Nov 2019 #12
Who cares about Harriot? tulipsandroses Nov 2019 #43
It's the word "value". zentrum Nov 2019 #16
Based on his reply to Michael Harriot, I think Pete would agree with you now. femmedem Nov 2019 #20
Thanks for clarifying. I didn't hear it that way at all. I understood it as a demographic point, Alithea Nov 2019 #23
Agreed. The mathematical correlation of income and educational attainment is PatrickforO Nov 2019 #40
+1 Alithea Nov 2019 #21
Thanks you for this well stated reply. nt LAS14 Nov 2019 #49
Thanks for posting this. I wanted to post Harriot's essay but I can't afford hides rn. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2019 #11
I live to serve. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2019 #15
you live to serve who ? stonecutter357 Nov 2019 #42
An unflattering hashtag about Mayor Pete has been trending all day today Gothmog Nov 2019 #19
posts removed !!! stonecutter357 Nov 2019 #32
I'll bet money Mayor Pete will be POTUS or V-POTUS before Sen. Sanders is either. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #38
Agree... obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2019 #39
PETE BUTTIGIEG FACES 'INSURMOUNTABLE ROADBLOCK' WITH MINORITY VOTERS, SAYS DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST Gothmog Nov 2019 #45
Might be easier on them if they just wrote whistler162 Nov 2019 #47
Oh, yes. Buttigieg should be exempt of any criticism by anyone for anything. /s BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #48
Maybe the so called Democratic Strategists should whistler162 Nov 2019 #50
Except this isn't this week's new hit piece. Buttigieg has been failing at this issue for years. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #51
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