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applegrove

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42. Read somewhere that stop and frisk is based on stats. That the way to cut
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:57 AM
Nov 2019

Last edited Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:19 AM - Edit history (1)

down on crime is to go the the blocks with the worst crime and stop them for traffic reasons and then get the actual criminals on guns and drugs. I guess stopping pedestrians is the same statistical reasoning. But you dragnet up so many more people who are just minding their business and you do it to them again and again. And innocent people are traumatized and racially profiled. The answer is that you cannot police your way out of this sort of gang crime. Policing has its limits.That is what the Toronto poloice chief says and he is right. You need mixed market housing, good schools and good healthcare for all, somehow. Many places around the US and the world accomplish it. I liked when Killer Mike talked about the Georgia or Atlanta government, i can't remember which, gave a certain percentage of contracts to the african americans there. If black architectural firms don't exist then you give a black company of pavers the contract to pave the airports instead of a % of architectual contracts. It is about the spirit of life in cities. And metropolitan consolidation is important too. Adequate taxes. Running stings in white nrighbourhoods to catch white mid and low level drug dealers. You set a goal and fight for the country you want. And it is catchy working together like that. Like when we used to do barn building bees or whatever else we used to do. Winnipeg has a Bear Clan Patrol where indigenous vounteers walk the streets at night in a group of 15 and talk to locals and diffuse things in ways that they can and then call the police if it becomes criminal. They don't target drug (that is the police's job) dealers but walk people to safety and do things like that. They take a photo of the goup before they go out every night in their yellow vests and post it online on twitter. And you know what? they feel vital. And they are. Which is all anyone wants to feel really. Even people who were once addicted to drugs. Probably what the drug user feels in the euphoria is vitality. Probably what the hedge fund manager who chases efficiencies and money like a drug would do well to join the Bear Clan too. Stop and frisk was meant to break the back of drug dealers. It breaks the bond between the police and the community. Bear Clan is the glue... at least in Winnipeg.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Did Bloomberg really say this? [View all] Quackers Nov 2019 OP
I still want him to spend 30 million on liberal ads. He's not going to be in the debates. applegrove Nov 2019 #1
I'm hoping his messages about what he would do will benefit Hortensis Nov 2019 #16
Exactly. We need to flood. applegrove Nov 2019 #21
:) We're flooding. Turned on the TV and, again, an ad, Hortensis Nov 2019 #22
That is heartening to know it's on everywhere. applegrove Nov 2019 #23
Hoping so. I don't want the 14th or so wealthiest man Hortensis Nov 2019 #25
He's going to be in the debates. The DNC made an exception last week. hedda_foil Feb 2020 #66
I know now. applegrove Feb 2020 #67
Unlike Joe Biden ritapria Nov 2019 #2
I've seen his ad. It is not republican. Liberals in New York seem to like him. applegrove Nov 2019 #3
I want to vote for Blomberg wiley Nov 2019 #7
How did he save your sons? applegrove Nov 2019 #8
Thanks for asking! wiley Nov 2019 #33
Tough going. Glad they are okay. applegrove Nov 2019 #35
Thank You wiley Nov 2019 #41
Stop & frisk is unconstitutional JonLP24 Nov 2019 #36
That's a really suoperficial take wiley Nov 2019 #39
Read somewhere that stop and frisk is based on stats. That the way to cut applegrove Nov 2019 #42
Bear Clan! wiley Nov 2019 #44
I did not mean to imply stop and frisk is good. After being harrassed and worse in recent history, applegrove Nov 2019 #46
Why would you think I am against that? wiley Nov 2019 #56
Because, unless the police have witnessed a person commiting a crime, dware Nov 2019 #59
Was I speaking at you? wiley Dec 2019 #61
You do know this is a discussion board right? dware Dec 2019 #63
I'm with the ACLU when it comes to stop & frisk JonLP24 Nov 2019 #50
Right there with you JonLP24. dware Nov 2019 #60
Only 6% of stops led to arrests wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #58
Oh please dear wiley Dec 2019 #62
So we should trash the Constitution? dware Dec 2019 #64
Learn the word "Proportionality" wellst0nev0ter Dec 2019 #65
So vote for him then? BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #24
On another thread it was mentioned that he did say that. BigmanPigman Nov 2019 #4
I have third if you want one rpannier Nov 2019 #5
I won't be voting for him, but isn't honesty in a different category? Hortensis Nov 2019 #18
It's an honest answer rpannier Nov 2019 #28
Waren used to be a Republican. Bernie used to write rape fantasies. wiley Nov 2019 #6
Warren isn't currently championing Republican ideas, I'm not voting for Bernie Quackers Nov 2019 #10
Should Quackers be limited to MayorB's stances? Hortensis Nov 2019 #17
What wiley Nov 2019 #34
It was a really old column on gender roles JonLP24 Nov 2019 #37
One sentence in a 1972 essay Eric J in MN Nov 2019 #38
So what if he said it? How did he actually manage his three terms as NYC Mayor? And... TreasonousBastard Nov 2019 #9
That's the argument now? Yeah he said it, get over it? Quackers Nov 2019 #11
It took me 15 minutes to write that post, and that's all you got from it? TreasonousBastard Nov 2019 #12
:) I got a lot more and agree we all should look at the Hortensis Nov 2019 #19
Yeah-- there are a lot of good people out there, and having a few billion gets you in the door... TreasonousBastard Nov 2019 #27
I don't necessarily disagree with what you wrote rpannier Nov 2019 #29
Bloomberg is certainly not perfect, and not blaming 2008 on the banks at least a little... TreasonousBastard Nov 2019 #31
Yes wiley Nov 2019 #45
Obama said it best louseb Nov 2019 #13
He supported Senator Pat Toomey ritapria Nov 2019 #14
So is it purity to point out rpannier Nov 2019 #30
That's deplorable. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #15
Thanks for the interview. Yes, he DID say it, and big deal? Hortensis Nov 2019 #20
Thank you. cwydro Nov 2019 #32
re: "people can actually support this DINO." thesquanderer Nov 2019 #26
Pro choice... brooklynite Nov 2019 #40
Bloomberg? myohmy2 Nov 2019 #43
Actually, he was a Democrat for most of his life, but turned Republican to... TreasonousBastard Nov 2019 #47
so... myohmy2 Nov 2019 #51
I'm saying he's an independent who agrees with most registered Democrats on most things... TreasonousBastard Nov 2019 #53
I'm... myohmy2 Nov 2019 #54
You are free to feel anything you like but Bernie is dropping in the polls of... TreasonousBastard Nov 2019 #55
He was a Democrat before switching to republican to run for mayor. Renew Deal Nov 2019 #49
I'm... myohmy2 Nov 2019 #52
I'm saying that he acted like a republican when he was a republican Renew Deal Nov 2019 #57
It's probably a true statement, but it's also not something that happens. Renew Deal Nov 2019 #48
"it's the reverse" wtf! Just when I think-- yes he can win, perhaps support him; then RestoreAmerica2020 Feb 2020 #68
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