Democratic Primaries

dflprincess

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55. Go out to one of the state exchanges

Sun Dec 1, 2019, 02:10 AM

Dec 2019

and look at what the premiums cost. Whether a person is paying the premium themself or getting a subsidy, that is money, sometimes tax money, going straight into the insurance companies pockets.

Pay atention to what the deductibles and max out of pockets are (and premiums do not count toward out of pockets). There are plenty of people with one of these plans who still can't afford health care because they can't cover the deductibles. This is why the US remains the only country where people go bankrupt because of medical bills.

You may be okay with that, many of us are not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Mark Shields on Warren's Medicare for All - PBS NewsHour [View all] question everything Nov 2019 OP

"Give Barack Obama credit. Give Nancy Pelosi, people who voted for it credit." Cha Nov 2019 #1

Yikes. KPN Nov 2019 #16

K&R! highplainsdem Nov 2019 #2

People just do not want to hear this, but Mark Shields is correct. I mean 70 years, people. Hekate Nov 2019 #3

So true! nt Tumbulu Nov 2019 #18

Exactly, Hekate. It's not "revisionist history" as Cha Nov 2019 #20

What you pointed out is the infuriating part. Blue_true Dec 2019 #44

hogwash... myohmy2 Nov 2019 #4

I agree myohmy. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #13

Mrk Shields can go fly a kite ritapria Nov 2019 #30

Saying that something hasn't been able get votes for the last 70 votes is betsuni Nov 2019 #33

Oh yeah. That he made such a point of it suggests he does give a shit. TreasonousBastard Nov 2019 #35

That claim received three Pinocchios. TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #37

You are giving a symptom. Explain how we get the prescription for eliminating that symptom. nt Blue_true Dec 2019 #46

Thinking the same thing. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2019 #39

I wish I could agree. Our government is still ruled by cash. redqueen Nov 2019 #40

Truman proposed national healthcare because he saw a need. Blue_true Dec 2019 #45

"Explain how Bernie will accomplish something..." myohmy2 Dec 2019 #53

I am not convinced that a man who was a career backbencher can get a giant Blue_true Dec 2019 #67

That's B S. The media has decided to take aim at Warren and Harris this week Gus2525 Nov 2019 #5

Be happy; with all the money we spend, we're number 37! BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #6

Share this table with non-liberal voters; I'm SURE it will do the trick, right? brooklynite Nov 2019 #7

America's health care FAIL crosses party lines BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #9

No one is saying that our current healthcare is OK question everything Nov 2019 #22

It would be nice if we all accepted two things as Democrats BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #29

And that graph customerserviceguy Dec 2019 #61

M4A in and of itself would decrease malpractice insurance costs BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #62

A worker's comp type of system customerserviceguy Dec 2019 #63

wait what... woundedkarma Nov 2019 #12

There are lots of factors that most people don't consider luvtheGWN Nov 2019 #15

Exactly. Duppers Nov 2019 #10

Not just the media. Party leadership as well. KPN Nov 2019 #17

Damned right! And we're going to fight as long as it takes and as PatrickforO Nov 2019 #24

So true! rainy Dec 2019 #60

If everything else fails, just blame it on the media. TreasonousBastard Nov 2019 #36

2010 had nothing to do an economy in deep recession? crazytown Nov 2019 #8

You know, the way I see it is this: PatrickforO Nov 2019 #25

Even Nixon tried to get a type of health care reform going..... BigmanPigman Nov 2019 #11

K&R nt NYMinute Nov 2019 #14

No.. it's Not "revisionist history".. it happened.. I happen Cha Nov 2019 #19

I'm Pissed That Warren Has to Take The Brunt Of the Attacks on Bernie's M4All Indykatie Nov 2019 #21

Warren is in the lead Sanders is not question everything Nov 2019 #23

I don't know what makes you think it will cost jobs. PatrickforO Nov 2019 #26

That burns my ass also. Blue_true Dec 2019 #47

Since 1949, "Every Democratic president from that point forward fought for it." betsuni Nov 2019 #27

I believe that even Wilson thought of that idea in some form. Blue_true Dec 2019 #48

Why can't Medicare for all work for people who want to keep their private insurance? Sucha NastyWoman Nov 2019 #28

Because so far the MFA plans put out by Sanders and Warren Blue_true Dec 2019 #49

But that's my point Sucha NastyWoman Dec 2019 #57

I agree with you last paragraph. And those companies are basically running Blue_true Dec 2019 #65

Without leaders courageous enough to do the right thing, no matter the political cost, Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #31

Then always vote with us until we have all republicans out of office. Blue_true Dec 2019 #50

I miss the days when the Democratic party had some vision dflprincess Nov 2019 #32

You have to be elected first. JFK, FDR, LBJ were already in office when they came with their vision question everything Nov 2019 #38

We're not going to get anyone elected dflprincess Nov 2019 #41

Of course not. We should run on strengthening the ACA restoring whatever was removed question everything Nov 2019 #42

Strengthening the ACA just protects the insurance companies dflprincess Nov 2019 #43

This is the problem. A poster gives you a path that we can take to success and you throw out some Blue_true Dec 2019 #52

Go out to one of the state exchanges dflprincess Dec 2019 #55

One of the reasons why premiums in the ACA are likely high now is it Blue_true Dec 2019 #66

Basically, to get MFA and things like low cost college, Blue_true Dec 2019 #51

The argument is always the same. democrank Nov 2019 #34

Actually Medicaid and Medicare and Obamacare work quite well. Some folks' private insurance emmaverybo Dec 2019 #54

Not only are premiums too high dflprincess Dec 2019 #56

Obamacare or all private insurance? I agree copays and deductibles are too high for many. It is emmaverybo Dec 2019 #58

People act like we have private insurance and we have Medicare, Medicaid, and Obamacare Sucha NastyWoman Dec 2019 #59

The trick would be to get them to see private insurance as economically destructive, eating up emmaverybo Dec 2019 #64