Democratic Primaries

TidalWave46

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51. One of my smallest concerns.

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 10:31 AM

Dec 2019

Not well thought out, even by people offering proposals. Sanders proposal is insignificant. He is floundering so bad he is just going around yelling "free, free, free!!!!!" The worst part about his plan is that it doesn't address anything meaningful at all. Sanders: "Kids are going broke going to college. Then college will be free!" It's beyond absurd. It's like he is desperate to keep class and structural divides in place while acting like he is at war with each.

The system is pretty solid where it is at. We need to have greater oversight of the university systems themselves.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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It is fundamentally dishonest to compare public high schools to public colleges [View all] dsc Nov 2019 OP

Public two year colleges often have no admission requirements; they even take high school students pnwmom Nov 2019 #1

and I have no problems with them being free dsc Nov 2019 #2

"favor the rich being free for the rich and paid for by the poor." Yeah, that's a pretty Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #18

actually Sanders is proposing exactly that dsc Dec 2019 #21

I want mine but not if they get it too? Republican talking point pasted on Dem values... nice NotHardly Nov 2019 #3

No I don't think the poor should pay the cost of educating the rich dsc Nov 2019 #4

Rich or powerful people rarely go to public colleges. rhodytowny Nov 2019 #17

Yes, Presidential candidates tend to avoid public schools dsc Dec 2019 #22

Non Sequitur. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2019 #26

really you post rich and powerful people rarely go to public colleges dsc Dec 2019 #31

That wasn't me. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2019 #56

The (Surprising) Undergraduate Institutions Fortune 100 CEOs Attended mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2019 #27

"Rich or powerful people rarely go to public colleges." TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #50

In no "free public college" plan do the poor subsidize the rich. thesquanderer Dec 2019 #23

that isn't true from Sanders own plan dsc Dec 2019 #32

And I think this is a fundamentally dishonest characterization of the argument crazytown Nov 2019 #5

do you dispute the fact that college admission requirements favor the rich? dsc Nov 2019 #6

grocery stores/movie admissions favor the rich too. its all relative. nt msongs Nov 2019 #7

I really have no words for that argument. dsc Nov 2019 #10

This is my argument, posted in thread of my OP crazytown Nov 2019 #8

they do favor them dsc Nov 2019 #9

That's terrible. crazytown Nov 2019 #12

INVESTMENT in the poor, so they can generate their own wealth and not need transfers Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #11

Sanders wants to have more people attend college w/o them going bankrupt. Buttigieg does not. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #13

that is flat out bullshit dsc Nov 2019 #15

There are quite a few public high schools that have admission requirements Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #14

and that is one way that rich have gamed the system dsc Nov 2019 #16

So you agree that public education ought to Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #19

No I think magnet schools should be disbanded except those for music and art dsc Dec 2019 #20

So in addition to not supporting public education Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #24

NYCs magnets are very racially imbalanced dsc Dec 2019 #30

Yes and the fix, according to you is to abolish them, but only for the STEM magnets. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #52

yeah if we can't fix those numbers they need to go dsc Dec 2019 #55

Drop dead, engineers, right? We sure as hell don't need them. NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2019 #29

Exactly. WTF. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #53

Here's the thing, the basic argument is dumb and can be used to argue against... Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #25

the problem is higher ed unlike every single other thing you mention dsc Dec 2019 #28

Question, how come it wasn't such an issue in the past with state schools in many states... Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #33

In Europe their primary and secondary schools are no where near as inequitable as ours dsc Dec 2019 #34

So because our current public education standards are regressive, we shouldn't attempt to do... Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #35

No that isn't close to what I said dsc Dec 2019 #36

How is it "on the backs of burger flippers" when its under a progressive tax system? Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #37

20% of the funding for Bernie's plan, the one AOC is extolling the virtues of dsc Dec 2019 #39

State taxes don't need to be regressive though. There's a lot of reform that should be instituted... Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #40

even in progressive states dsc Dec 2019 #41

Those are "socially progressive" but economically conservative states, I'm talking true leftists. nt Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #45

Honestly most states have regressive taxation systems dsc Dec 2019 #54

Not everyone needs to go to university The Mouth Dec 2019 #38

Not sure the writer has been to a public college booley Dec 2019 #42

I went to Ole Miss dsc Dec 2019 #43

I visited Oxford once rhodytowny Dec 2019 #44

I taught in a Delta school district (meaning virtually entirely black) dsc Dec 2019 #49

Thats seems contradictory booley Dec 2019 #46

Also to my original point booley Dec 2019 #47

Actually both can be true dsc Dec 2019 #48

One of my smallest concerns. TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #51

We've been over this again and again and again and again. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #57