Democratic Primaries

StarfishSaver

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15. Oh, please

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 09:50 PM

Dec 2019

The old "Content of their Character" argument that people always bring up whenever anyone tries to discuss discrimination and diversity.

If the issue was "qualifications, accomplishments, merits, etc." we wouldn't have a problem. Black women would have been running for - and probably serving as - president decades ago.

The problem is that, when it comes to minorities and women, "qualifications, accomplishment, merits, etc." often don't matter. THAT's the point.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Al Sharpton was really angry. No black candidate on the debate state. (On Nicole Wallace) [View all] question everything Dec 2019 OP

some candidates could not convince enough people to support them. he should be msongs Dec 2019 #1

In her home state, she was running towards the bottom of the field of candidates. I guess that demosincebirth Dec 2019 #72

And a Jew. roody Dec 2019 #2

That, too question everything Dec 2019 #4

If 40-45% of the AA vote wasn't sticking with an old white guy BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #3

The issue isn't how many black voters support an old white guy StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #12

no candidate has been forced out of the race. they all could have stayed in despite msongs Dec 2019 #17

Who is arguing otherwise? LanternWaste Dec 2019 #82

Thank you mcar Dec 2019 #27

I think it's very much an issue, unfortunately BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #31

I respect your posts, but you didn't deal with the central issue the poster made. Blue_true Dec 2019 #33

I didn't address that point because it's irrelevant to the issue I'm raising StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #36

How do we get the diverse field that you allude to? Blue_true Dec 2019 #46

No one needs to be "propped up." But we do need to adjust institutional processes StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #49

President Obama became the real deal by winning Iowa in 2008. Blue_true Dec 2019 #55

This has nothing to do with Obama StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #56

It does squirecam Dec 2019 #62

You don't get it. StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #65

We don't agree on everything, you and I. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #88

... StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #96

So you seem to have shifted. Now it is not about having Black skin as much as it is about being Blue_true Dec 2019 #63

Yep squirecam Dec 2019 #66

For real. I really liked her and donated when she kicked off her campaign. bearsfootball516 Dec 2019 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Dec 2019 #93

What do you think would be a good way to assure there is a black candidate? pangaia Dec 2019 #58

I don't think the goal should be "to assure there's a black candidate" StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #60

Well said. I agree with you. pangaia Dec 2019 #83

Thanks for sharing that experience StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #84

PoC's anxious pragmatism is itself evidence of the unjust system radius777 Dec 2019 #75

This is such an important point StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #85

Haven't heard Booker's out. But if he becomes so, it's the black bloc's Hortensis Dec 2019 #5

Not out, but not on the next debate stage question everything Dec 2019 #7

No, it's still open and he may still make it. Hortensis Dec 2019 #13

I was really impressed by Booker when he addressed the 2016 Convention question everything Dec 2019 #26

Well, I suspect Booker and Harris have big careers ahead. Hortensis Dec 2019 #32

African Americans as a group are the smartest voters. Blue_true Dec 2019 #35

:) Silliness is not an indulgence most feel they can afford? Hortensis Dec 2019 #41

Why did so many stay home and not vote for Hillary? Tipperary Dec 2019 #79

For the same reason Trump won padah513 Dec 2019 #80

Smart voters, no matter their race, do not fall for Tipperary Dec 2019 #81

I just believe that Hillary made a weak VP choice Blue_true Dec 2019 #95

Tim Kaine, while he is a decent person, excited no one. Blue_true Dec 2019 #94

I'm 66, but I hope I live long enough Mr.Bill Dec 2019 #6

I think that it is wonderful that the majority of African American voters Blue_true Dec 2019 #39

Rev MLK's dream is still just a dream at140 Dec 2019 #8

And this is a problem for us, the "identity" definition question everything Dec 2019 #11

"What about us? Whites?" Because white people have it so hard and just can't get ahead StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #23

Where does Andrew Yang fit in then? nt 42bambi Dec 2019 #42

given why Franken resigned wanting a woman wasn't ridiculous dsc Dec 2019 #77

And we did. Tina Smith. With a long history of political activity question everything Dec 2019 #91

Oh, please StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #15

I agree JonLP24 Dec 2019 #19

Qualifications, accomplishments and agenda is all that matters to me.. at140 Dec 2019 #21

Well squirecam Dec 2019 #34

Being in congress before, is not necessarily the top qualification at140 Dec 2019 #54

And... squirecam Dec 2019 #57

Agreed!..eom at140 Dec 2019 #59

It's not mutually exclusive or one or the other StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #61

She's out. So she lost. squirecam Dec 2019 #64

African American voters seem to be doing what Dr. King dreamed of. Blue_true Dec 2019 #40

Agree completely..eom at140 Dec 2019 #52

Exactly The Mouth Dec 2019 #69

She would make a good VP pick. RDANGELO Dec 2019 #9

I am not sure. She is too tough minded - as are all the candidates, really, to be second chair to question everything Dec 2019 #16

Considering Biden's age, there is a decent chance he would only go one term. RDANGELO Dec 2019 #24

Obama/Biden IluvPitties Dec 2019 #25

Of course. Stared me in the face. question everything Dec 2019 #90

Biden ran for president in 2008 Polybius Dec 2019 #67

Of course! I even donated to him back then. Thanks question everything Dec 2019 #89

I agree with every point that you made. Blue_true Dec 2019 #43

So squirecam Dec 2019 #44

We already had a female VP nominee Blue_true Dec 2019 #47

I think it is different to compare the situation to the 80s JonLP24 Dec 2019 #48

Booker and Harris are not moderates, neither are the Castro brothers. Blue_true Dec 2019 #50

I'm not pissing on Booker JonLP24 Dec 2019 #51

Why not listen to him instead of challenging him this way and calling people "complainers" StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #10

You are correct. I could not ask him, of course question everything Dec 2019 #14

"concentrating on identities" is the very gravaman of politics StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #18

I agree JonLP24 Dec 2019 #22

Every election is about identity politics mcar Dec 2019 #30

Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #20

You're going with that? irisblue Dec 2019 #37

It is what it is Rev Al, it is what it is. NoMoreRepugs Dec 2019 #28

Obama was on stage and elected twice. evertonfc Dec 2019 #29

good let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Dec 2019 #38

Not a Rev Al fan Zorro Dec 2019 #45

Maybe direct your rage at kacekwl Dec 2019 #53

Once upon a time nominating an Irish *gasp* Roman Catholic was a huge deal. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #68

We have 4 front runners..... squirecam Dec 2019 #70

LOL StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #73

Trump won in 2016 so how did 'we' win? nt kelly1mm Dec 2019 #71

We got more votes question everything Dec 2019 #92

That is not how you win the Presidency. nt kelly1mm Dec 2019 #97

Welp ... I pretty much called it right after the first 'UH-OH! NO DEM POCS!11!' tweet hit ... mr_lebowski Dec 2019 #74

Until money is taken out of our elections , and foreign corruption, duforsure Dec 2019 #76

So squirecam Dec 2019 #86

Welcome Back ChubbyStar Dec 2019 #87