Democratic Primaries

Celerity

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20. yes, there are so many reasons for the drop

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 03:29 AM

Mar 2019

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We live in an utterly dysfunctional nation at a myriad number of levels, vectors, inflection points and socio-political, socio-economic pathologies.

It doesn't help that the superstructure (our Constitution and its resultant form of government) is being shredded, warped, and weaponised by one party in a two party system. We are living in a period where its (the Constitution) long wave endemic flaws and limitations are coming to the fore.

Fairplay distribution of voting power is running headlong into a great unlevelling force via demographical presentations of ever-increasing(numerically) and ever more concentrated pockets of the population having their aforementioned voting impact diluted in the House, the Senate, and thus also in the Electoral College.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Giving Trump every single probable state and EV, it comes down to 3 states and we have to sweep them [View all] Celerity Mar 2019 OP

These and... Vogon_Glory Mar 2019 #1

Oh, I am not at all saying many other states are not in play, they are Celerity Mar 2019 #2

Thing may have changed but last month Trump's approval Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #49

2 centrist white men, with the top of the ticket being 86 at the end of his terms is not Celerity Mar 2019 #50

Both options have weaknesses. This particular team includes Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #54

we will win arizona before we win texas dsc Mar 2019 #3

Perhaps we'll luck out and win both Vogon_Glory Mar 2019 #5

Trump barely won Wisconsin & Michigan Jarqui Mar 2019 #4

Many miles to go until then, and Biden isn't even in the race yet. When he enters many other Celerity Mar 2019 #6

There is a long way to go but I like our position for those states Jarqui Mar 2019 #9

The poster was talking about Biden vs Trump and you R B Garr Mar 2019 #28

Yes, Biden could sweep those states, and it was a huge discredit R B Garr Mar 2019 #29

you misrepresent what I said Celerity Mar 2019 #30

None of that would matter if it was Biden v Trump, R B Garr Mar 2019 #31

Other candidates will, at some point, have a go at him, especially if he is the front-runner. Celerity Mar 2019 #32

That primary part would be over if it was Trump v Biden. R B Garr Mar 2019 #33

Again with the misrepresenting of what I said, and also some strange attempt at projection. Celerity Mar 2019 #35

Again. The poster you responded to was talking about R B Garr Mar 2019 #36

the only centering of Bernie came from you, you are completely trying to turn it into yet another Celerity Mar 2019 #37

No, you. Your post, you. The poster you responded to R B Garr Mar 2019 #38

again, and again and again with the misrepresentation and the attempts at Sanders-centric deflection Celerity Mar 2019 #39

Again and again and again, and again, I noted your R B Garr Mar 2019 #40

Greater turnout of POC is key, I agree. Those aren't the only 3 states that will flip. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #7

at this moment, barring an implosion (surely possible) by the orange rotter Celerity Mar 2019 #10

Separate from your point (that is fully accurate) CincyDem Mar 2019 #8

Thee senate is tough. I don't think any senator from a state that has a GOP governor should run Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #15

Brown is not running and the other states are likely not problems. karynnj Mar 2019 #24

They have GOP governors. Neither are my first choice but if we lose a Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #25

I totally disagree. StevieM Mar 2019 #11

you completely miss my point, I never said those other states were not in play Celerity Mar 2019 #12

We did not win any of those states last time or in 12 either. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #14

Our best hope is not to embrace the notion that we can only win with 277 EVs. StevieM Mar 2019 #16

It is the minimum and our blue wall. I hope for more. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #21

I posted a map earlier and that was my conclusion also, Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #13

Do we know that they didn't turn out? ucrdem Mar 2019 #17

Black voter turnout fell in 2016, even as a record number of Americans cast ballots Celerity Mar 2019 #18

hey that's some impressive research! ucrdem Mar 2019 #19

yes, there are so many reasons for the drop Celerity Mar 2019 #20

PA does not have early voting Freddie Mar 2019 #51

Well, that's another barrier. ucrdem Mar 2019 #57

Well done Tom Rinaldo Mar 2019 #22

Be mindful of damage done with the Russian trolling of black millennials during the 2016 campaign allgood33 Mar 2019 #23

Excellent analysis exboyfil Mar 2019 #26

Thanks for the links and articles. BlueWI Mar 2019 #27

oh, wow, Mandela Barnes looks so impressive, he absolutely has a big future in our party!! Celerity Mar 2019 #41

Thanks for your thoughts! BlueWI Mar 2019 #55

We will win BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #34

Oh, I think we will win NH probably for sure, and have a good shot at AZ Celerity Mar 2019 #43

Wisconsin Poiuyt Mar 2019 #42

What happened over the decades to turn WI so reddish? Celerity Mar 2019 #44

Something similar is true of Michigan. susanna Mar 2019 #46

before the orange turd picked the man married to Mother as VP, I was thinking Walker Celerity Mar 2019 #48

Gerrymandering Poiuyt Mar 2019 #52

Scott Walker is such a fuckstick Celerity Mar 2019 #53

I did not reply originally, susanna Apr 2019 #61

They lost Good paying manufacturing jobs , Janesville GM closed in 08. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #56

This just infuriates me. susanna Mar 2019 #47

Interestingly, the same states that 'won' it for him last time. susanna Mar 2019 #45

Hillary won Minnesota by 1.5% with 46.4% of the vote Awsi Dooger Mar 2019 #58

I agree as to the majority of your points, but can you envision a scenario Celerity Mar 2019 #60

Luckily, with a crap candidate, we only lost those three states by less than 80K votes... SKKY Mar 2019 #59

So we should find a young black man crazytown Apr 2019 #62

Interesting analysis. Two questions... thesquanderer Apr 2019 #63

IF he were to get the nomination, I would hope he would chose Celerity Apr 2019 #65

Which is why all of us need to continue to support the National Popular Vote Compact PatrickforO Apr 2019 #64

+1 Celerity Apr 2019 #66