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115. there are other nations that have single payer, and also ones with devolved single payer models
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 07:36 PM
Dec 2019

Taiwan and South Korea have national single payer systems

then there are

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_healthcare

Regions with 'Beveridge Model' systems

Nordic countries

The Nordic countries are sometimes considered to have single-payer health care services, as opposed to single-payer national health care insurance like Taiwan or Canada. This is a form of the 'Beveridge Model' of health care systems that features public health providers in addition to public health insurance.

The term 'Scandinavian model' or 'Nordic model' of health care systems has a few common features: largely public providers, limited private health coverage, and regionally-run, devolved systems with limited involvement from the central government. Due to this third characteristic, they can also be argued to be single-payer only on a regional level, or to be multi-payer systems, as opposed to the nationally run health coverage found in Taiwan and South Korea.¨


United Kingdom

As in Scandinavia, healthcare in the United Kingdom is a devolved matter, meaning England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales each has its own system of private and publicly funded healthcare, generally referred to as the National Health Service (NHS). With largely public or government owned providers, this also fits into the 'Beveridge Model' of health care systems, sometimes considered to be single-payer, although unlike Scandinavia, there is a more significant role for both private coverage and providers. Each country's having different policies and priorities has resulted in a variety of differences existing between the systems.[30][31] That said, each country provides public healthcare to all UK permanent residents that is free at the point of use, being paid for from general taxation.

In addition, each also has a private sector which is considerably smaller than its public equivalent, with provision of private healthcare acquired by means of private health insurance, funded as part of an employer funded healthcare scheme or paid directly by the customer, though provision can be restricted for those with conditions such as AIDS/HIV.[32][33]

The individual systems are:

England: National Health Service
Northern Ireland: Health and Social Care in Northern Ireland (HSCNI)
Scotland: NHS Scotland
Wales: NHS Wales

In England, funding from general taxation is channeled through NHS England, which is responsible for commissioning mainly specialist services and primary care, and Clinical Commissioning Groups (CCGs), which manage 60% of the budget and are responsible for commissioning health services for their local populations. These commissioning bodies do not provide services themselves directly, but procure these from NHS Trusts and Foundation Trusts, as well as private, voluntary, and social enterprise sector providers.


Regions with hybrid single-payer/private insurance systems

Australia


Healthcare in Australia is provided by both private and government institutions. Medicare is the publicly funded universal health care venture in Australia. It was instituted in 1984 and coexists with a private health system. Medicare is funded partly by a 2% income tax levy (with exceptions for low-income earners), but mostly out of general revenue. An additional levy of 1% is imposed on high-income earners without private health insurance.

As well as Medicare, there is a separate Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme that considerably subsidises a range of prescription medications. The Minister for Health administers national health policy, elements of which (such as the operation of hospitals) are overseen by individual states.

Spain

Building upon less structured foundations, in 1963 the existence of a single-payer healthcare system in Spain was established by the Spanish government. The system was sustained by contributions from workers, and covered them and their dependants.

The universality of the system was established later in 1986. At the same time, management of public healthcare was delegated to the different autonomous communities in the country. While previously this was not the case, in 1997 it was established that public authorities can delegate management of publicly funded healthcare to private companies.

Additionally, in parallel to the single-payer healthcare system there are private insurers, which provide coverage for some private doctors and hospitals. Employers will sometimes offer private health insurance as a benefit, with 14.8% of the Spanish population being covered under private health insurance in 2013. In 2000, the Spanish healthcare system was rated by the World Health Organization as the 7th best in the world.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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The Affordable Care Act (aka the right wing "Obamacare") is nothing like "Medicare for All". George II Nov 2019 #1
The affordable care act was a winning issue in the 2018 midterms Gothmog Nov 2019 #88
We can not afford to lose to Trump over a healthcare plan that most likely will never become emmaverybo Nov 2019 #2
It's as simple as that. Thanks! George II Nov 2019 #3
Yes... it is as simple as that! Not sure why some are so unwilling to admit this Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #7
Like I said before wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #53
Thank you. dflprincess Nov 2019 #64
If you have access to paying for healthcare, how is that different treestar Nov 2019 #95
Insurance does not equal care dflprincess Nov 2019 #98
It is a way to pay for it treestar Nov 2019 #106
that is a flat out lie dsc Nov 2019 #96
And millions got access to insurance policies with deductibles that are so high they still can't dflprincess Nov 2019 #97
that's only the case in state with no medicaid expansion AlexSFCA Nov 2019 #102
That's not why at all, and most people here know it. George II Nov 2019 #74
That is completely untrue...we lost because some on the left refused to vote for Hillary and Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #84
That is untrue... the fact is we can't get elected running on this...and we won't pass it even we Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #104
Democrats didn't get elected on the ACA at first wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #108
We can't afford to lose to him by not standing with our values, either. Gore1FL Nov 2019 #5
Having a Public Option added to the ACA reflects this liberal Democrat's values perfectly The Valley Below Nov 2019 #13
We lost to Trump after promising to maintain the status quo wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #10
The election was stolen. Had nothing to do with so-called status quo. Hilary Clinton was more emmaverybo Nov 2019 #29
If the popular vote meant anything, Hillary would be in office wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #34
I don't know what status quo you refer to. Hilary Clinton offered many sound and progressive emmaverybo Nov 2019 #44
What status quo? sheshe2 Dec 2019 #114
I've asked dozens of times of those who decry the "status quo" - what IS the "status quo"? No reply. George II Nov 2019 #75
No surprises there. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #81
Trump won because of an undemocratic election system Hav Nov 2019 #32
Yep, that should tell you that the status quo is broken wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #35
Other candidates want to bring down drug costs. Doing that is not dependent upon M4All. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #57
I don't understand why every "Democrat" doesn't think like this. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2019 #91
Recent election results show that the ACA is a winner. Blue_true Nov 2019 #4
If we pass policy based on what is an election winner wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #11
To pass any policy at all, we have to win. Blue_true Nov 2019 #23
2018 issues included Med4All, gun control, income inequality blm Nov 2019 #77
MFA was not part of the 2018/2019 democratic candidates' message in the states. Blue_true Nov 2019 #78
The midterm elections were, to an important extent, a referendum on the Affordable Care Act Gothmog Nov 2019 #89
WE have to push for MFA immediately ritapria Nov 2019 #6
Pssst....2020 isn't the "midterms"! George II Nov 2019 #8
That's all I need to know. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #82
IKR? ehrnst Nov 2019 #100
ACA is a WINNER NOW.. Haven't you heard?! Cha Nov 2019 #9
ACA was a loser then, remember? wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #12
We're talking about NOW. Cha Nov 2019 #14
We're talking about kicking a can down the road wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #16
If Americans took your advice and voted against the "status quo", Obama wouldn't have been reelected George II Nov 2019 #76
Not true, since most of us supported the ACA. And still do BTW. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #15
Remember the public option? wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #17
Moderates? Who's that? The Valley Below Nov 2019 #20
The ACA was and is still an imperfect policy wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #24
We all know what got us Trump. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #28
I did not hear any proposals from M4All supporters to strengthen Obamacare, protect and expand emmaverybo Nov 2019 #30
Didn't Warren already address that? wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #36
I know right.. big Difference. Cha Nov 2019 #18
You only support it now because it's now popular wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #21
Don't tell me what I do.. you have no idea what you're talking about. Cha Nov 2019 #25
You calculate based on whatever polls better wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #37
No it is NOT "well established".. you really don't know what Cha Nov 2019 #39
This is you literally two days ago wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #45
It was a LOSER.. so WHAT? It's still a LOSER.. I want to WIN.. I want Biden's plan shoring up Cha Nov 2019 #54
So you are on record saying Obamacare was a loser? wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #58
You need to figure out your own problems Cha Nov 2019 #60
What's stopping you from opposing M4A now wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #62
LOL. Why are you gaslighting people who know what they believe in far better than you do? The Valley Below Nov 2019 #26
Thank You! Good question.. Why the hell why? Cha Nov 2019 #40
"When did you stop beating your wife?" wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #51
You're just being ridiculous with that question. Cha Nov 2019 #56
A hostile, invidious question wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #59
It was dead on. Cha Nov 2019 #61
So everytime people throw out "gaslighting" wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #63
Damn the polls is our election slogan for 2020? How reckless. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #31
You move the polls, not follow them. wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #38
K n R JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #19
It had to be said wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #22
It really didn't. You are just insulting liberal Democrats loyalists. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #27
Nope, just pushing back against defeatist rhetoric against M4A wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #42
Not "defeatist" in any measure. I strongly support a different path forward. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #43
You've just embraced a scare tactic wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #49
More gaslighting? Get off it! The Valley Below Nov 2019 #52
You're the one making excuses wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #55
No excuses. What is your problem. Like the vast majority I prefer a Public Option. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #65
A form of the ACA had already been successfully established in Massachusetts. betsuni Nov 2019 #33
Look at all the other countries with single payer wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #41
I said in Vermont it didn't work. betsuni Nov 2019 #46
And I told you why it didn't work in Vermont wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #47
But didn't Romneycare have to also deal with $400 insulin and high prices? betsuni Nov 2019 #48
Once again, apples to oranges wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #50
There are almost none. Really just Canada Recursion Nov 2019 #94
there are other nations that have single payer, and also ones with devolved single payer models Celerity Dec 2019 #115
Why does that map show healthcare in France as being "free"? It isn't. Recursion Dec 2019 #117
Taking away someone's private healthcare plan will see Donald Trump OnDoutside Nov 2019 #66
Only if they fix the loopholes so people don't have to take JCMach1 Nov 2019 #67
NFIB types didn't like the ACA mandate, and a lot of people were hacked off they actually had to pay Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2019 #68
And loyalsister Nov 2019 #79
..and and Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2019 #105
No kidding loyalsister Nov 2019 #107
This is for those who seem NOT to understand about how the ACA passed, and and the FACT that we still_one Nov 2019 #69
kicking because this is Skidmore Nov 2019 #80
Thank you for the Big Reality Check, still_one! The OP Needs to READ Cha Nov 2019 #92
and the votes for M4A won't be there in 2020 either. Also the OPs assertion that it was because of still_one Nov 2019 #93
Judging by your logic wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #110
No that isn't what I am saying, but perhaps if those self-identified progressives who refused to still_one Nov 2019 #111
I prefer to not waste electrons on unworkable fantasies PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #70
Like the public option? BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #73
We MUST FIGHt for M4A! EmInColorado Nov 2019 #71
absolutely... myohmy2 Nov 2019 #72
It caused us to lose the house in large part because of the sob sob...we didn't get a public option Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #83
Yep. nt Kahuna7 Nov 2019 #86
So we should risk losing seats, with someone like trump and his gop henchmen Kahuna7 Nov 2019 #85
Public Approval Of Obamacare Hits Record High Ahead Of 2018 Midterms Gothmog Nov 2019 #87
1 Major reason..ACA didn't threaten to boot 150m off their current plans AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #90
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As no votes have been cast yet, none have been lost Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #101
Actually, the 2018 midterms were won on preserving and restoring the ACA. ehrnst Nov 2019 #103
I was talking about 2010 wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #109
2018 election victories because of the ACA are more recent than 2010. ehrnst Nov 2019 #113
It took a supermajority boomer_wv Nov 2019 #112
the same can be said for the Public Option Celerity Dec 2019 #116
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