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PatrickforO

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16. Yes, but if we elevate the conversation, if we talk about it, if it is on the table,
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 02:44 PM
Dec 2019

those debating the issue and then forming legislation that reflects the will of those representing us in Congress, we have a chance to move in the right direction.

It is interesting, reading this thread. I see that many of the Biden supporters seem to be...doubtful. To put it charitably. One even remarks, "Not a chance in hell."

But, you know, the Square Deal didn't really have a chance in hell. Not until Teddy Roosevelt started talking about reform and people started reading things like The Jungle. Then we had some regulation around food manufacturing.

The New Deal didn't have a chance in hell, either. Not a chance. Until the people had suffered to the point where they were about to overthrow the government and champions arose in the Democratic party.

The Civil Rights Act didn't have a chance in hell, either. But LBJ strongarmed it through, because he was the one guy that could have done it.

Let's not forget Medicare. DEFINITELY not a chance in hell. It was maligned by health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, the AMA and others as being SOSH-A-LIZED medicine. Yet it passed and I've yet to meet a senior who was not grateful for it.

So, you know, I see Warren's statement that we need a big, bold agenda as being true. Because a party that knows what it wants and forcefully advocates that will draw FAR more followers (and independent voters) than a party that chooses a bland centrist agenda.

AND NOTE: I'm not saying that the idea of fixing ACA from all the Republican sabotage over the last decade would be that bad. I myself am for M4All, but whatever it is we are touting, we need a compelling slogan, a compelling case.

Concerning the power of slogans, here's a kind of funny/sad story about the difference between a compelling case and milquetoast: My state representative is a right wing-nut. A holy roller evangelical who is ultra conservative on most issues. In other words, she doesn't represent me by a long shot.

So, in the 2018 election, I was delighted when a candidate stepped up to oppose her. I gave the candidate data, reports, money, etc. Like you do when you're trying to support someone grass roots.

As the election crept closer, I went to a neighborhood gathering of supporters for her in my legislative district, and paid for a yard sign. When I saw what it said, I sighed:

It said, &quot candidate's name) Make politics boring again."

Seriously.

I sighed and went ahead and put the sign up in my yard. The result of the election was no surprise. The wing-nut still represents me and the candidate we all had such high hopes for has returned to being a private citizen.

This is why I say that WHATEVER WE MOVE FORWARD WITH, WE NEED TO BE AGGRESSIVE AND COMPELLING ABOUT HOW WE COMMUNICATE IT.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Recommended. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #1
Not a chance in hell... Peacetrain Dec 2019 #2
Is it right to do so? Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #3
so you are against this proposal? Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #6
K n R ! Thanks for posting! JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #4
So this new "plan" is dependent upon grants from another one of his "plans".... George II Dec 2019 #5
you know everything substantial, any real proposal to do anything significant Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #7
But other candidates don't build one proposal that has to be passed upon another proposal.... George II Dec 2019 #9
This is just being rolled into the GND. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #11
Irrelevant question, kind of like asking me "when did you stop beating your wife?" George II Dec 2019 #14
An "are you" question is nothing like a question that presumes other facts ("have you stopped") thesquanderer Dec 2019 #15
that's ridiculous. But whatever. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #27
The issue isn't expanding affordable broadband access, it's the way it will be done.... George II Dec 2019 #29
I didn't mention the proposal at all. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #30
Yes, but if we elevate the conversation, if we talk about it, if it is on the table, PatrickforO Dec 2019 #16
I'll go with that! PatrickforO Dec 2019 #8
The Feds broke up Ma Bell in the early 1980s, now they've combined again bucolic_frolic Dec 2019 #10
Before the deregulation we had the best telecoms in the world Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #12
Really? TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #22
Without the altruism and huge gains from the basic research done by Bell Labs nt karynnj Dec 2019 #20
Once again, a plan without a real, plausible plan. MineralMan Dec 2019 #13
Sanders knows it failed in Burlington Vermont - trashing the town's credit rating for years karynnj Dec 2019 #19
He doesn't care. It's just a campaign promise, after all. MineralMan Dec 2019 #23
This bothers me because there have been serious efforts to get universal broadband karynnj Dec 2019 #24
I know it's in the platform, but it hasn't happened. Any of it will require legislation MineralMan Dec 2019 #25
So none of our candidates should make any proposals that involve this 'legislation' thing? Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #32
They should all be careful not to make proposals that MineralMan Dec 2019 #34
Which according to your previous post appears to be all legislation. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #35
By the way, the internet as we know it was NOT developed by taxpayer-funded research.... George II Dec 2019 #17
DARPA: ARPANET 1969 Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #28
That wasn't "the internet", that was what "became the internet". These are his exact words: George II Dec 2019 #33
ARPANET was in fact the prototype for the internet. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #36
His home town, Burlington Vermont did precisely this -- and it nearly destroyed the city financially karynnj Dec 2019 #18
Bernie is my 4th to last choice (with the introduction of Bloomberg). SaschaHM Dec 2019 #21
Does this plan involve waving a magic wand? nt comradebillyboy Dec 2019 #26
Amazing responses here. Everyone in america hates their forking cable company, and rightly so. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #31
Thats impossible! Until it isn't booley Dec 2019 #37
A big K & R - Chattanooga Has Its Own Broadband Duppers Dec 2019 #38
This would be great. Exciting concept and based on civic justice. JudyM Dec 2019 #39
+1 myohmy2 Dec 2019 #40
"Bernie Sanders unveils plan to boost broadband access, break up internet and cable titans" Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #41
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