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StarfishSaver

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53. We can talk about racism and sexism but not about individuals who are affected by them?

Mon Dec 9, 2019, 01:02 AM

Dec 2019

You seem to be one of those who is always willing to acknowledge that racism and sexism exist but never seem to recognize - and in fact are very quick to deny - it when it actually occurs.

Surely you don't believe that the only or even primary reason we've never had a black woman president is that, so far, no black woman has ever run an effective campaign? And if a black woman had actually run a strong campaign at some point in our history, she would have been nominated and elected president, just like the hundreds of white men who were nominated for president managed to do.

Or do you recognize that racism and sexism has impacted the ability of black women - any and every black woman - to be elected president, but when faced with a particular black woman, you assume that that racism and misogyny you admit is present didn't in any way affect HER?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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The Erasure of Black Women Continues: Let's talk about Misogynoir [View all] sheshe2 Dec 2019 OP

I am very concerned about the lack of diversity mcar Dec 2019 #1

I am with you on this! BlueMTexpat Dec 2019 #2

Harris was my first choice. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #10

She was one of my favorites. Mc Mike Dec 2019 #3

But we forget. MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Dec 2019 #4

Correction: WHITE gay man StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #27

How can you say that? Now, whether he'd still be Hortensis Dec 2019 #81

Very true - I meant to imply that :) (nt) MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Dec 2019 #166

Thank you. Just what we need: More gay-bashing. Hooray! Glorfindel Dec 2019 #37

Harris would make a great True Blue American Dec 2019 #101

No, thank you! MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Dec 2019 #165

she chose to quit. she didn't have to but she did nt msongs Dec 2019 #5

Exactly. No one forced her to quit. Quackers Dec 2019 #42

Yes, Let's Me. Dec 2019 #6

K&R. It's going to take years of hard work to get through it. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2019 #7

K&R fleur-de-lisa Dec 2019 #8

She ran a bad race. End of story. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #9

And I'm sick of it. CONSTANT. oldsoftie Dec 2019 #12

Sick of what? sheshe2 Dec 2019 #14

Need you ask? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #28

Not really. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #34

Did you read the post i responded to? oldsoftie Dec 2019 #111

Not "instead" just "in addition to" ehrnst Dec 2019 #141

Nope. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #13

The false narrritive only stands if one buys that Democratic voters are The Valley Below Dec 2019 #21

No. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #23

What pundits? The Valley Below Dec 2019 #29

Read the article. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #33

I read it. No named "pundits." The Valley Below Dec 2019 #36

Hm. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #54

Thank you, SheShe! StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #55

Since when is being "new here" the measure of right and wrong? The Valley Below Dec 2019 #57

Failing to support a premise with objective data means you're wrong. LanternWaste Dec 2019 #115

What is actually "bullshit" is attacking the straw man that ehrnst Dec 2019 #131

That's nothing but your opinion. MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #133

It seems there are two types of people: ehrnst Dec 2019 #140

More false narratives. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #152

More copy and paste in lieu of actually answering... ehrnst Dec 2019 #154

Pretending these narratives don't exist within the party is dangerous mcar Dec 2019 #114

Yes, it is dangerous, and sounds far more RW than Democratic. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #142

Actually suggesting that racist-sexism is pervasive in the Democratic party The Valley Below Dec 2019 #144

Yet another straw man. You're the only one positing that extreme claim here. ehrnst Dec 2019 #146

I think it is more RW than Democratic StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #147

You hit it on the head... ehrnst Dec 2019 #148

I'll thank you not to besmirch the Democratic Party. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #167

Thank you! True Blue American Dec 2019 #102

As a woman of color, Harris was held to a much higher standard mcar Dec 2019 #113

It's bothersome, but it's also illustrative StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #122

"Liberal Democrats are more than ready to support a woman of color for president" StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #30

No man. Harris started with tremendous support and lost that support. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #58

Disagree. She made some mistakes, but she did far better than Hortensis Dec 2019 #106

"false narrative" ehrnst Dec 2019 #137

Great article, she. spicysista Dec 2019 #11

Hey, spicysista. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #15

I didn't know the term misogynoir. Thanks for posting! betsuni Dec 2019 #16

Learn a word a day and use it where needed. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #19

Misogynoir is a neologism. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #22

Why, yes it is. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #43

I'm sure there are also many oldlogisms I am unfamiliar with. betsuni Dec 2019 #63

Strange premise. Maxine Waters is the only one on that list with legitimate grievance. tritsofme Dec 2019 #17

Who determines whether a black woman's "grievance" is "legitimate"? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #31

White fragility. MerryBlooms Dec 2019 #40

And this is from people who claim to be our allies StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author MerryBlooms Dec 2019 #44

It's my opinion. tritsofme Dec 2019 #45

Who claimed she was "somehow entitled to the nomination"? I haven't seen anyone here do that StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #48

Who said this? sheshe2 Dec 2019 #56

That seems to be the clear implication to me. tritsofme Dec 2019 #121

No one said she was entitled to the nomination or anything close StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #129

You may not realize it from your bubble, but that is how the argument sounds to many of us. tritsofme Dec 2019 #132

If that's how it sounds to you, you need to expand your horizons StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #136

Not going to respond to this nonsense. Have a nice day. tritsofme Dec 2019 #139

When one actually doesn't want to respond, one doesn't respond that one is not going to respond... ehrnst Dec 2019 #155

Thanks for the internet posting etiquette lesson? tritsofme Dec 2019 #156

Thanks for your response to my response to your "not going to respond" response. ehrnst Dec 2019 #157

I'll wish you the same nice day I did the other. tritsofme Dec 2019 #158

Thanks for your further response. ehrnst Dec 2019 #160

You're welcome. tritsofme Dec 2019 #161

Joy Reid True Blue American Dec 2019 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Dec 2019 #18

The VP will be an African American woman aeromanKC Dec 2019 #20

I hope Senator Harris is appointed Secretary Of State The Mouth Dec 2019 #24

It wasn't a dead end for Biden StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #32

Secretary of State is quite a powerful job The Mouth Dec 2019 #116

You preferring to be SOS than VP doesn't mean VP is a "dead end" StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #119

Whatever The Mouth Dec 2019 #120

K&R loyalsister Dec 2019 #25

She dropped out evertonfc Dec 2019 #26

The thing about misogynoirism is that most people who engage in it StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #35

Nonsense. You are accusing Democratic voters--including ones that supported Harris The Valley Below Dec 2019 #38

If the foo shits ... StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #39

The foo don't fit, you must acquit. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #64

You seem to be blurring the Democratic Party ideals and platform with individual Democrats ehrnst Dec 2019 #71

No man. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #73

Strawman.... no one said that bigotry is the driving force of today's Democrats. ehrnst Dec 2019 #75

Harris lacking support in the black community isn't a strawman. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #79

Ok... here we go... ehrnst Dec 2019 #85

No. You pointed out something that isn't true (for the second time) and its not something... The Valley Below Dec 2019 #88

"inventing falsehoods" So you're calling me a liar. ehrnst Dec 2019 #92

I never said the thing you claimed I said. You invented them. Call that what you will. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #94

Of course you claim that. But remember, everyone else here can read it. ehrnst Dec 2019 #96

Yes, they can see what I wrote and what you claimed I wrote. And how they don't match. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #99

You should have just went to bed! tritsofme Dec 2019 #118

Exhaustion might indeed be one explanation for the the posts. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #126

The "I know you are but what am I?" rebuttal. ehrnst Dec 2019 #125

So you believe race and gender had absolutely nothing to do with it ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #47

Your questions are not the same as the claims being made about misogynoir. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #52

The false narrative is that racism and sexism don't come into play in 2019 ehrnst Dec 2019 #65

The Democratic Party is not the home of racists and bigots. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #66

Since when has identifying as a Democrat rendered one free of racism or sexism? ehrnst Dec 2019 #67

Kamala Harris had 3% support when she dropped out. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #69

You must have found a sale on strawmen to attack... ehrnst Dec 2019 #74

Pot. Kettle. Black. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #76

Is this the "I know you are, but what am I?" rebuttal? ehrnst Dec 2019 #77

Toxic narrative. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #91

"Toxic narrative" in place of an answer again... ehrnst Dec 2019 #93

Most Democratic voters haven't decided yet mcar Dec 2019 #117

I see what you did there. ehrnst Dec 2019 #127

This sounds so familiar. Where have I heard this before? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #138

Yep mcar Dec 2019 #145

Right up there as an evasion of the topic of race as ehrnst Dec 2019 #159

Well, Joe is, if not running a brilliant campaign, The Mouth Dec 2019 #149

100% True Blue American Dec 2019 #104

No...it was her time as AG and DA that hurt her with AA votes...it wasn't white voters that had her Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #151

Great synopsis! BlueMTexpat Dec 2019 #72

You didn't hear that from me. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #82

I am glad that you BlueMTexpat Dec 2019 #84

Suppose Harris had made it through December and failed to make the debate in January... brooklynite Dec 2019 #46

That is disingenuous and I expect better of you ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #49

...and one can discuss the facts of racism and sexism without tying them to one candidate... brooklynite Dec 2019 #50

You can't separate folks race out out like yolk and white from an egg ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #51

We can talk about racism and sexism but not about individuals who are affected by them? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #53

No. What you don't seem to understand is that modern Democrats understand the lessons of history The Valley Below Dec 2019 #60

Not her race or gender, not at all? ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #112

Pete seems to have a few organizational issues himself. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #61

I don't care what you think of Pete... brooklynite Dec 2019 #108

White left on social media targeted Kamala for destruction. radius777 Dec 2019 #59

So Democratic Party loyalists are now responsible for the abberent behavior of the far-leftists The Valley Below Dec 2019 #62

Another straw man combined with a false dillema.... ehrnst Dec 2019 #68

No. The false narrative suggests that racist-sexism among Democratic voters The Valley Below Dec 2019 #70

+100000 Pachamama Dec 2019 #78

As someone who likes Kamala Harris--as I do as well--did you have moments during this campaign The Valley Below Dec 2019 #86

She was indeed being advised incorrectly by people within her campaign & it was a poorly run one Pachamama Dec 2019 #95

At that moment in the debate I turned to my wife--who also like Kamala Harris--and I said she's just The Valley Below Dec 2019 #97

I agree! True Blue American Dec 2019 #105

Nope. They are saying misogynoir was a factor, because it always is for WOC. ehrnst Dec 2019 #80

No. They are saying it was THE factor. It wasn't. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #83

Who is "they?" ehrnst Dec 2019 #87

nah. You are projecting and engaging in insults. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #89

"False narrative" this time. Run out of "toxic?" ehrnst Dec 2019 #98

To quote you: The Valley Below Dec 2019 #100

I wasn't the one who killed irony in this thread... ehrnst Dec 2019 #124

Divisive much?...There's no "white left", "black left" or "brown left" whathehell Dec 2019 #109

One thing people don't seem to understand StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #135

A black woman runs for president and that's "erasure"? Hortensis Dec 2019 #90

Thanks for posting, sheshe. PunkinPi Dec 2019 #107

I hate race riots on DU. Hortensis Dec 2019 #110

Just going to leave this here... PunkinPi Dec 2019 #123

Thanks. Here's some company for it ... StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #128

+1000 sheshe2 Dec 2019 #153

Again, thanks for the thread and... PunkinPi Dec 2019 #162

You are very welcome. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #164

I think Biden will choose her for VP. MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #130

K&R MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #134

She seems to have erased herself. TCJ70 Dec 2019 #143

Two Harvard studies converge on a conclusion that black women are judged more harshly for their mist mcar Dec 2019 #150

Great addition, mcar! nt PunkinPi Dec 2019 #163

Misogynoir - An Accurate And Depressing Neologism corbettkroehler Dec 2019 #168