Democratic Primaries

The Valley Below

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88. No. You pointed out something that isn't true (for the second time) and its not something...

Mon Dec 9, 2019, 05:52 AM

Dec 2019

that I ever said. You are inventing falsehoods.

I never said I expected "expected POC to fall in behind her, because, you know." That's your invention. It is a personal attack and it is unwarranted. Is this what you do when people disagree with you? Invent falsehoods and imply they are like right-wingers?

That not right.

Kamala Harris was at 3% support when she dropped out. You blame that on rampant racist-sexism in the Democratic Party.

I call bullshit on that lie.

I don't understand what your deal is. Seems weird, man. Really weird.

The Democratic Party values diversity. Kamala Harris had tremendous goodwill when she entered the race. She was top-tier. A definite contender. She squandered that by running a bad campaign. That's the reason she's out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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The Erasure of Black Women Continues: Let's talk about Misogynoir [View all] sheshe2 Dec 2019 OP

I am very concerned about the lack of diversity mcar Dec 2019 #1

I am with you on this! BlueMTexpat Dec 2019 #2

Harris was my first choice. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #10

She was one of my favorites. Mc Mike Dec 2019 #3

But we forget. MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Dec 2019 #4

Correction: WHITE gay man StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #27

How can you say that? Now, whether he'd still be Hortensis Dec 2019 #81

Very true - I meant to imply that :) (nt) MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Dec 2019 #166

Thank you. Just what we need: More gay-bashing. Hooray! Glorfindel Dec 2019 #37

Harris would make a great True Blue American Dec 2019 #101

No, thank you! MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Dec 2019 #165

she chose to quit. she didn't have to but she did nt msongs Dec 2019 #5

Exactly. No one forced her to quit. Quackers Dec 2019 #42

Yes, Let's Me. Dec 2019 #6

K&R. It's going to take years of hard work to get through it. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2019 #7

K&R fleur-de-lisa Dec 2019 #8

She ran a bad race. End of story. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #9

And I'm sick of it. CONSTANT. oldsoftie Dec 2019 #12

Sick of what? sheshe2 Dec 2019 #14

Need you ask? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #28

Not really. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #34

Did you read the post i responded to? oldsoftie Dec 2019 #111

Not "instead" just "in addition to" ehrnst Dec 2019 #141

Nope. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #13

The false narrritive only stands if one buys that Democratic voters are The Valley Below Dec 2019 #21

No. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #23

What pundits? The Valley Below Dec 2019 #29

Read the article. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #33

I read it. No named "pundits." The Valley Below Dec 2019 #36

Hm. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #54

Thank you, SheShe! StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #55

Since when is being "new here" the measure of right and wrong? The Valley Below Dec 2019 #57

Failing to support a premise with objective data means you're wrong. LanternWaste Dec 2019 #115

What is actually "bullshit" is attacking the straw man that ehrnst Dec 2019 #131

That's nothing but your opinion. MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #133

It seems there are two types of people: ehrnst Dec 2019 #140

More false narratives. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #152

More copy and paste in lieu of actually answering... ehrnst Dec 2019 #154

Pretending these narratives don't exist within the party is dangerous mcar Dec 2019 #114

Yes, it is dangerous, and sounds far more RW than Democratic. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #142

Actually suggesting that racist-sexism is pervasive in the Democratic party The Valley Below Dec 2019 #144

Yet another straw man. You're the only one positing that extreme claim here. ehrnst Dec 2019 #146

I think it is more RW than Democratic StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #147

You hit it on the head... ehrnst Dec 2019 #148

I'll thank you not to besmirch the Democratic Party. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #167

Thank you! True Blue American Dec 2019 #102

As a woman of color, Harris was held to a much higher standard mcar Dec 2019 #113

It's bothersome, but it's also illustrative StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #122

"Liberal Democrats are more than ready to support a woman of color for president" StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #30

No man. Harris started with tremendous support and lost that support. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #58

Disagree. She made some mistakes, but she did far better than Hortensis Dec 2019 #106

"false narrative" ehrnst Dec 2019 #137

Great article, she. spicysista Dec 2019 #11

Hey, spicysista. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #15

I didn't know the term misogynoir. Thanks for posting! betsuni Dec 2019 #16

Learn a word a day and use it where needed. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #19

Misogynoir is a neologism. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #22

Why, yes it is. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #43

I'm sure there are also many oldlogisms I am unfamiliar with. betsuni Dec 2019 #63

Strange premise. Maxine Waters is the only one on that list with legitimate grievance. tritsofme Dec 2019 #17

Who determines whether a black woman's "grievance" is "legitimate"? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #31

White fragility. MerryBlooms Dec 2019 #40

And this is from people who claim to be our allies StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author MerryBlooms Dec 2019 #44

It's my opinion. tritsofme Dec 2019 #45

Who claimed she was "somehow entitled to the nomination"? I haven't seen anyone here do that StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #48

Who said this? sheshe2 Dec 2019 #56

That seems to be the clear implication to me. tritsofme Dec 2019 #121

No one said she was entitled to the nomination or anything close StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #129

You may not realize it from your bubble, but that is how the argument sounds to many of us. tritsofme Dec 2019 #132

If that's how it sounds to you, you need to expand your horizons StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #136

Not going to respond to this nonsense. Have a nice day. tritsofme Dec 2019 #139

When one actually doesn't want to respond, one doesn't respond that one is not going to respond... ehrnst Dec 2019 #155

Thanks for the internet posting etiquette lesson? tritsofme Dec 2019 #156

Thanks for your response to my response to your "not going to respond" response. ehrnst Dec 2019 #157

I'll wish you the same nice day I did the other. tritsofme Dec 2019 #158

Thanks for your further response. ehrnst Dec 2019 #160

You're welcome. tritsofme Dec 2019 #161

Joy Reid True Blue American Dec 2019 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Dec 2019 #18

The VP will be an African American woman aeromanKC Dec 2019 #20

I hope Senator Harris is appointed Secretary Of State The Mouth Dec 2019 #24

It wasn't a dead end for Biden StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #32

Secretary of State is quite a powerful job The Mouth Dec 2019 #116

You preferring to be SOS than VP doesn't mean VP is a "dead end" StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #119

Whatever The Mouth Dec 2019 #120

K&R loyalsister Dec 2019 #25

She dropped out evertonfc Dec 2019 #26

The thing about misogynoirism is that most people who engage in it StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #35

Nonsense. You are accusing Democratic voters--including ones that supported Harris The Valley Below Dec 2019 #38

If the foo shits ... StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #39

The foo don't fit, you must acquit. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #64

You seem to be blurring the Democratic Party ideals and platform with individual Democrats ehrnst Dec 2019 #71

No man. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #73

Strawman.... no one said that bigotry is the driving force of today's Democrats. ehrnst Dec 2019 #75

Harris lacking support in the black community isn't a strawman. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #79

Ok... here we go... ehrnst Dec 2019 #85

No. You pointed out something that isn't true (for the second time) and its not something... The Valley Below Dec 2019 #88

"inventing falsehoods" So you're calling me a liar. ehrnst Dec 2019 #92

I never said the thing you claimed I said. You invented them. Call that what you will. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #94

Of course you claim that. But remember, everyone else here can read it. ehrnst Dec 2019 #96

Yes, they can see what I wrote and what you claimed I wrote. And how they don't match. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #99

You should have just went to bed! tritsofme Dec 2019 #118

Exhaustion might indeed be one explanation for the the posts. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #126

The "I know you are but what am I?" rebuttal. ehrnst Dec 2019 #125

So you believe race and gender had absolutely nothing to do with it ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #47

Your questions are not the same as the claims being made about misogynoir. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #52

The false narrative is that racism and sexism don't come into play in 2019 ehrnst Dec 2019 #65

The Democratic Party is not the home of racists and bigots. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #66

Since when has identifying as a Democrat rendered one free of racism or sexism? ehrnst Dec 2019 #67

Kamala Harris had 3% support when she dropped out. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #69

You must have found a sale on strawmen to attack... ehrnst Dec 2019 #74

Pot. Kettle. Black. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #76

Is this the "I know you are, but what am I?" rebuttal? ehrnst Dec 2019 #77

Toxic narrative. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #91

"Toxic narrative" in place of an answer again... ehrnst Dec 2019 #93

Most Democratic voters haven't decided yet mcar Dec 2019 #117

I see what you did there. ehrnst Dec 2019 #127

This sounds so familiar. Where have I heard this before? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #138

Yep mcar Dec 2019 #145

Right up there as an evasion of the topic of race as ehrnst Dec 2019 #159

Well, Joe is, if not running a brilliant campaign, The Mouth Dec 2019 #149

100% True Blue American Dec 2019 #104

No...it was her time as AG and DA that hurt her with AA votes...it wasn't white voters that had her Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #151

Great synopsis! BlueMTexpat Dec 2019 #72

You didn't hear that from me. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #82

I am glad that you BlueMTexpat Dec 2019 #84

Suppose Harris had made it through December and failed to make the debate in January... brooklynite Dec 2019 #46

That is disingenuous and I expect better of you ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #49

...and one can discuss the facts of racism and sexism without tying them to one candidate... brooklynite Dec 2019 #50

You can't separate folks race out out like yolk and white from an egg ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #51

We can talk about racism and sexism but not about individuals who are affected by them? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #53

No. What you don't seem to understand is that modern Democrats understand the lessons of history The Valley Below Dec 2019 #60

Not her race or gender, not at all? ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #112

Pete seems to have a few organizational issues himself. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #61

I don't care what you think of Pete... brooklynite Dec 2019 #108

White left on social media targeted Kamala for destruction. radius777 Dec 2019 #59

So Democratic Party loyalists are now responsible for the abberent behavior of the far-leftists The Valley Below Dec 2019 #62

Another straw man combined with a false dillema.... ehrnst Dec 2019 #68

No. The false narrative suggests that racist-sexism among Democratic voters The Valley Below Dec 2019 #70

+100000 Pachamama Dec 2019 #78

As someone who likes Kamala Harris--as I do as well--did you have moments during this campaign The Valley Below Dec 2019 #86

She was indeed being advised incorrectly by people within her campaign & it was a poorly run one Pachamama Dec 2019 #95

At that moment in the debate I turned to my wife--who also like Kamala Harris--and I said she's just The Valley Below Dec 2019 #97

I agree! True Blue American Dec 2019 #105

Nope. They are saying misogynoir was a factor, because it always is for WOC. ehrnst Dec 2019 #80

No. They are saying it was THE factor. It wasn't. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #83

Who is "they?" ehrnst Dec 2019 #87

nah. You are projecting and engaging in insults. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #89

"False narrative" this time. Run out of "toxic?" ehrnst Dec 2019 #98

To quote you: The Valley Below Dec 2019 #100

I wasn't the one who killed irony in this thread... ehrnst Dec 2019 #124

Divisive much?...There's no "white left", "black left" or "brown left" whathehell Dec 2019 #109

One thing people don't seem to understand StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #135

A black woman runs for president and that's "erasure"? Hortensis Dec 2019 #90

Thanks for posting, sheshe. PunkinPi Dec 2019 #107

I hate race riots on DU. Hortensis Dec 2019 #110

Just going to leave this here... PunkinPi Dec 2019 #123

Thanks. Here's some company for it ... StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #128

+1000 sheshe2 Dec 2019 #153

Again, thanks for the thread and... PunkinPi Dec 2019 #162

You are very welcome. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #164

I think Biden will choose her for VP. MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #130

K&R MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #134

She seems to have erased herself. TCJ70 Dec 2019 #143

Two Harvard studies converge on a conclusion that black women are judged more harshly for their mist mcar Dec 2019 #150

Great addition, mcar! nt PunkinPi Dec 2019 #163

Misogynoir - An Accurate And Depressing Neologism corbettkroehler Dec 2019 #168