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dansolo

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12. It will cost more. A lot more.

Mon Dec 9, 2019, 07:45 AM

Dec 2019

I don't believe for a minute that the cost estimates for M4A are at all realistic. In the end, it will cost significantly more. What is even more rediculous is that the M4A legislation does very little to control costs. All it does is control payments. And even that isn't guaranteed to reduce costs, because if M4A were to be implemented, the payment rates will probably have to be higher than they are now. And people are underestimating overhead costs. Current Medicare has low overhead costs because there is still a lot of insurance company involvement, which hides the additional overhead. I'm also concerned about the quality of care, becaue it will also squeeze healthcare providers with lower payments AND increased taxes. I don't think that M4A suporters give a shit if doctors and nurses will have to end up working more hours for less pay.

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Don't practically all the criticisms against M4All also apply to the public option? [View all] Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 OP

M4A is the best option for health insurance reform. Period. HerbChestnut Dec 2019 #1

The best medical insurance to have . . . Aussie105 Dec 2019 #2

People don't want to be forced off their employment based insurance. RDANGELO Dec 2019 #3

People have been deliberately confused and think Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #11

That's true, of course. However, convincing them otherwise MineralMan Dec 2019 #20

Well for starters if we stopped regurgitating Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #24

+1. Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #59

But ironically, people today get forced off their current employer-based insurance all the time. thesquanderer Dec 2019 #32

Until their employer screws them by changing it or dropping it. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #34

There is no real 'market' for health care, elleng Dec 2019 #4

Single Payer Drastically Reduces Administrative Costs ritapria Dec 2019 #5

The answer to the OP his is NO tirebiter Dec 2019 #6

Because people believed the lies from the health insurance industry Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #35

K n R ! Thanks for posting! nt JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #7

Warren doesn't think so. That's why she's now saying to START with the public option. pnwmom Dec 2019 #8

Individuals with the means to do so will buy into a public option, if they so choose. OilemFirchen Dec 2019 #9

Such sliding scale premiums aren't enough to fund Medicare, it will have to also involve... Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #13

When I was a state employee I actually had several choices. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #10

It will cost more. A lot more. dansolo Dec 2019 #12

I don't see how a public option would be immune to any of those problems you mentioned. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #14

I don't think that the public option would necessarily be immune to some of the problems of M4A, TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #19

re: "M4A...would create a monopoly in healthcare and like all monopolies, costs rise" thesquanderer Dec 2019 #33

But the money we put into insurance companies can now go into M4A. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #36

Okay. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #44

Why would I? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #46

You don't seem to have any qualms sharing your opinion on DU. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #48

Yeah, a discussion board. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #54

No. Public option can be added to existing laws, no new legislation needed! beastie boy Dec 2019 #15

No new legislation needed? TCJ70 Dec 2019 #21

The trick is called executive action beastie boy Dec 2019 #22

To create a public option? Is there a part of the ACA that allows for a public option to be created? TCJ70 Dec 2019 #29

Indeed there is! beastie boy Dec 2019 #30

Are you sure? TCJ70 Dec 2019 #40

As the paragraph you erxcerpted from indicates, state-based public option already exists. beastie boy Dec 2019 #42

MfA adds one more criticism: lack of choice brooklynite Dec 2019 #16

Choice about what? Who your insurance company is? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #37

As much as YOU don't like your private insurance, some people do... brooklynite Dec 2019 #38

Bingo The Mouth Dec 2019 #41

I like my insurance just fine. And I'm a union member. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #43

LOL. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #45

So do unions have power or not? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #47

I haven't mentioned anything about unions in this thread. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #49

Sorry. Thought you were the same as the beginning of this subthread. My bad. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #55

No. Not in the slightest. Try again, Humact. Hortensis Dec 2019 #17

No ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #18

They do if you ask the health care lobby BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #23

No...M4A ends private insurance...I am absolutely against this...as we will be tossed out of office Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #25

It doesn't. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #26

No, MFA eliminated all private insurance for 160 million taxpayers Gothmog Dec 2019 #27

Only private insurance that overlaps coverage. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #53

That means that everyone will have to give up their existing coverage Gothmog Dec 2019 #56

We need to build on the ACA and offer a public option Gothmog Dec 2019 #28

And then some loyalsister Dec 2019 #31

M4A doesn't have a profit motive nbsmom Dec 2019 #39

There's plenty of non-profit insurance available now. It's not noticeably better Recursion Dec 2019 #51

Some people get carried away with the "no profit" mantra. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #58

All except one Recursion Dec 2019 #50

Single payer works. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #52

Great post. Aaron Pereira Dec 2019 #57