Democratic Primaries

getagrip_already

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39. No, it's reality. We go to war with the army we have, not the one we want from the movies.....

Mon Dec 9, 2019, 08:18 AM

Dec 2019

And he is correct. If there were no ec, small states like nh wouldn't get any media spend, little in the way of face time, and have little clout.

The attention would all be on the population centers. Entire states would be ignored.

That's not necessarily a bad thing from our perspective, but it isn't reality and it won't be. So don't expect someone to campaign like the EC doesn't exist. It does.

The reality is that a majority of state govt's would need to approve a CA and right now, over half are in gop control.

And if we do somehow end up in a constitutional convention, the delegates would be majority right wing gop, and they would rewrite the constitution in trumps image. Every article and amendment would be on the table. Every one. Want to see the vote limited to white affluent men approved by a state agency? Well, it could happen.

Fight todays battles. Win today's elections. Don't blame a candidate for not campaigning like we didn't have an EC.

Shessh. The BDS is strong in this topic.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Joe Biden: The Electoral College isn't going away [View all] Eric J in MN Dec 2019 OP

Obviously he's talking about the general election. George II Dec 2019 #1

He's referring to relentless GOP efforts to grab the state in a tight election bucolic_frolic Dec 2019 #2

The EC is not going away. OKNancy Dec 2019 #3

That's true. We're stuck with it until that happens The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #7

Right, and I'm seriously concerned about a constitutional convention so elleng Dec 2019 #26

I dont agree with doing away with the electoral college. Once the door is opened...... oldsoftie Dec 2019 #4

Getting rid of the EC and selecting the President the same as we do all other INdemo Dec 2019 #8

It can, if you start changing things based on polls. oldsoftie Dec 2019 #13

Joe has spoken... guess that settles it. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #33

"Opening the door" to getting rid of the EC might mean only a constitutional amendment, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #9

Thats probably true. oldsoftie Dec 2019 #14

zacly elleng Dec 2019 #27

Biden seems to say all the wrong things. Biden is campaigning in the 1970's here in INdemo Dec 2019 #5

Biden is telling the truth. OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #12

Yes, if it depressed voter turnout for the Democratic nominee. aikoaiko Dec 2019 #18

If someone says.. OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #19

Right. Americans like people who give it to the straight. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #29

It's like when a candidate says he will end gun violence. aikoaiko Dec 2019 #43

If the facts about or system depresses Skidmore Dec 2019 #22

If Democratic turnout is depressed because our nominee tells the truth, then we deserve to lose LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #24

Ok, let's promise everyone a pet unicorn if they vote Amishman Dec 2019 #31

And what leads you to believe his statement can depress turnout? LanternWaste Dec 2019 #49

Just an opinion. aikoaiko Dec 2019 #52

He's campaigning in the real world, not a fantasy land. oldsoftie Dec 2019 #15

The charge that Biden is lost in the 70's always confuses me in that it is but three years ago that emmaverybo Dec 2019 #17

+1000 OKNancy Dec 2019 #21

How is this the "wrong thing"? BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2019 #34

How can Biden have voted to keep the EC when it's in the Constitution? The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #6

It wouldn't surprise me if Biden voted on the question at some point. tritsofme Dec 2019 #25

sheesh, facts are irrelevant? It's what he could have done? getagrip_already Dec 2019 #37

It is true; Senator Bayh proposed amendment in 1979 that failed in the Senate and LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #42

not sure where you found an actual roll call vote, but lets assume he did.... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #44

I didn't actually; it was cited in an article, and I frankly didn't challenge it, because even if LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #58

The Constitution can be amended with votes Eric J in MN Dec 2019 #60

As of 1976 there had been only three elections The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #61

Biden recently spoke about the EC, Eric J in MN Dec 2019 #62

That's true, it would be. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #63

Presidential candidates would spend a lot of time Eric J in MN Dec 2019 #64

The Electoral College is in the Constitution. revmclaren Dec 2019 #10

the bot attacks swinging into full gear at Biden as he has to go down or GOP is smashed in 2020 beachbumbob Dec 2019 #32

If we do away with the EC, Election Day will be a boring long night (or two or three) if it's close Polybius Dec 2019 #11

Whatever it takes. dchill Dec 2019 #28

Who cares about that? jcgoldie Dec 2019 #72

"Because this is how we've always done things" loyalsister Dec 2019 #16

No, it's reality. We go to war with the army we have, not the one we want from the movies..... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #39

White supremacy is okay, then? loyalsister Dec 2019 #48

thats a silly connection..... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #50

A lot has changed loyalsister Dec 2019 #53

actually..... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #55

There simply isn't the public support for getting rid of it. Kaleva Dec 2019 #20

the National populare vote compact SterlingPound Dec 2019 #30

The lack of action shows that there is little public support Kaleva Dec 2019 #35

i find that argment lacks substance in a country that has more non voters than voters SterlingPound Dec 2019 #36

Compare the civil rights movement and Vietnam ant-war movement Kaleva Dec 2019 #56

As of July 2019, it has been adopted by fifteen states and the District of Columbia. SterlingPound Dec 2019 #59

So you are crowing about modifying the EC system. Kaleva Dec 2019 #65

good thing other constitutional experts think that it doesn't take congressional approval SterlingPound Dec 2019 #66

You are putting stuff but still not showing dedicated support for getting rid of the EC Kaleva Dec 2019 #67

"For that, one may need approval of Congress or even a Amendment to the Constitution." SterlingPound Dec 2019 #68

I would agree that it would be more fair if every state adopted the district method Kaleva Dec 2019 #69

that is just the risk we have to take that every once in a while an SterlingPound Dec 2019 #70

I want to thank you for the interesting discussion Kaleva Dec 2019 #73

He is correct if we elect him... Joe941 Dec 2019 #23

It doesn't matter who we elect BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #38

and right now..... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #40

He is correct regardless of the Democrat we elect... LanternWaste Dec 2019 #51

It wasn't a vote to eliminate the Electoral College, but to change it to popular vote by state LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #41

Very simple killaphill Dec 2019 #45

Sure. This is one of the lamest attacks on him yet, IMO LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #46

He's right. It's not going away. MineralMan Dec 2019 #47

It can go away but it will take leadership. nt delisen Dec 2019 #54

Ec is made up of rich unelected people I_UndergroundPanther Dec 2019 #57

No se puede! jcgoldie Dec 2019 #71