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TexasTowelie

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19. I don't think that the public option would necessarily be immune to some of the problems of M4A,
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:06 AM
Dec 2019

but the fact that there would be private insurance companies does inject an element of competition into the health care system. With M4A it would create a monopoly in healthcare and like all monopolies, costs rise while customer satisfaction decreases. While there would be some decrease in administrative costs with the reduced amount of paperwork and training, the administrative costs are at about 8% while under Medicare the administrative costs are at about 2.5% from what I recently read on DU. However, those administrative costs are still less than what are found in many private businesses.

So although there are savings to be found in administrative efficiencies, those savings could easily be exhausted by the increased prices found in a monopoly system The private insurers would try to negotiate lower costs below what M4A pays for both products and services in order to increase their profit margins.

It would also allow the providers of medical services to negotiate their reimbursement rates rather than settle for an artificially low rate that might influence whether some people enter the medical professions since they are no longer lucrative enough to pay off student debt and high tort insurance premiums. We should be trying to fix the problems in the health care system as an issue separate from how much universities and med schools charge their students in order to minimize the amount of economic disruption by trying to combine the issues. I think that Sanders and Warren would be extremely mindful of that consideration since one private college closed in Massachusetts and three private colleges have closed in Vermont within the past year.

In the private sector, consumers abhor monopolies and we have anti-trust laws to break up those monopolies and increase competition. So why would we support creating a monopoly in the public sector that affects nearly 20% of our economy? I don't see the logic in that stance and I believe that competition is a good thing for consumers. The public option promotes competition, while M4A doesn't.

And for those who are so unfortunate that they can't afford insurance through either the public option or private insurance we enhance programs such as indigent care even if they are not perfect. The level of care may not rise to the same level as those who can afford to pay premiums, but if our concern is about basic health care then we can provide those people some reassurance that they aren't being neglected. It may not be completely fair, but inequalities exist in all aspects of life. We shouldn't tear down the system that we built just because there are people who are going bankrupt due to medical crisis The bankruptcy issues can be fixed separately by changes in the bankruptcy laws or granting means-based financial aid that could include loans for the people who still have some ability to pay something or debt forgiveness for those who are no longer employable because of their medical problems. Those solutions would cause far less economic turmoil than a M4A program that affects everyone with additional taxes and eliminates competition.

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M4A is the best option for health insurance reform. Period. HerbChestnut Dec 2019 #1
The best medical insurance to have . . . Aussie105 Dec 2019 #2
People don't want to be forced off their employment based insurance. RDANGELO Dec 2019 #3
People have been deliberately confused and think Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #11
That's true, of course. However, convincing them otherwise MineralMan Dec 2019 #20
Well for starters if we stopped regurgitating Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #24
+1. Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #59
But ironically, people today get forced off their current employer-based insurance all the time. thesquanderer Dec 2019 #32
Until their employer screws them by changing it or dropping it. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #34
There is no real 'market' for health care, elleng Dec 2019 #4
Single Payer Drastically Reduces Administrative Costs ritapria Dec 2019 #5
The answer to the OP his is NO tirebiter Dec 2019 #6
Because people believed the lies from the health insurance industry Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #35
K n R ! Thanks for posting! nt JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #7
Warren doesn't think so. That's why she's now saying to START with the public option. pnwmom Dec 2019 #8
Individuals with the means to do so will buy into a public option, if they so choose. OilemFirchen Dec 2019 #9
Such sliding scale premiums aren't enough to fund Medicare, it will have to also involve... Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #13
When I was a state employee I actually had several choices. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #10
It will cost more. A lot more. dansolo Dec 2019 #12
I don't see how a public option would be immune to any of those problems you mentioned. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #14
I don't think that the public option would necessarily be immune to some of the problems of M4A, TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #19
re: "M4A...would create a monopoly in healthcare and like all monopolies, costs rise" thesquanderer Dec 2019 #33
But the money we put into insurance companies can now go into M4A. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #36
Okay. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #44
Why would I? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #46
You don't seem to have any qualms sharing your opinion on DU. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #48
Yeah, a discussion board. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #54
No. Public option can be added to existing laws, no new legislation needed! beastie boy Dec 2019 #15
No new legislation needed? TCJ70 Dec 2019 #21
The trick is called executive action beastie boy Dec 2019 #22
To create a public option? Is there a part of the ACA that allows for a public option to be created? TCJ70 Dec 2019 #29
Indeed there is! beastie boy Dec 2019 #30
Are you sure? TCJ70 Dec 2019 #40
As the paragraph you erxcerpted from indicates, state-based public option already exists. beastie boy Dec 2019 #42
MfA adds one more criticism: lack of choice brooklynite Dec 2019 #16
Choice about what? Who your insurance company is? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #37
As much as YOU don't like your private insurance, some people do... brooklynite Dec 2019 #38
Bingo The Mouth Dec 2019 #41
I like my insurance just fine. And I'm a union member. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #43
LOL. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #45
So do unions have power or not? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #47
I haven't mentioned anything about unions in this thread. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #49
Sorry. Thought you were the same as the beginning of this subthread. My bad. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #55
No. Not in the slightest. Try again, Humact. Hortensis Dec 2019 #17
No ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #18
They do if you ask the health care lobby BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #23
No...M4A ends private insurance...I am absolutely against this...as we will be tossed out of office Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #25
It doesn't. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #26
No, MFA eliminated all private insurance for 160 million taxpayers Gothmog Dec 2019 #27
Only private insurance that overlaps coverage. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #53
That means that everyone will have to give up their existing coverage Gothmog Dec 2019 #56
We need to build on the ACA and offer a public option Gothmog Dec 2019 #28
And then some loyalsister Dec 2019 #31
M4A doesn't have a profit motive nbsmom Dec 2019 #39
There's plenty of non-profit insurance available now. It's not noticeably better Recursion Dec 2019 #51
Some people get carried away with the "no profit" mantra. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #58
All except one Recursion Dec 2019 #50
Single payer works. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #52
Great post. Aaron Pereira Dec 2019 #57
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