Democratic Primaries

TexasTowelie

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90. I feel very strongly about winning the election

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 07:01 PM

Dec 2019

and having candidates with long coattails that will win state legislative bodies since there will be redistricting after the census. Selecting two of the most liberal candidates will not accomplish that goal and the end result will be that the state legislatures will continue to gerrymander the districts so that the Democrats will be at a disadvantage for the next decade.

The idea that Bernie is popular in the Midwest and Rust Belt states is based largely upon how well he did in the 2016 primaries which included an anti-Hillary component. If the polling can be believed, the results show that Bernie isn't doing as well this year in those states because there other alternatives.

I don't know much about Warren's polling numbers in the Midwest and Rust Belt states, but I will speculate that some portion of her popularity is based upon gender and the desire to have a female president. If Warren does team up with Bernie she could literally be a heartbeat away from the presidency so I can see that some of her supporters might be willing to accept her in the VP role.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Why Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren Will Win the Presidency with Robert Reich [View all] Newest Reality Dec 2019 OP

100% Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #1

Yup yup... though you heard it here first!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #36

I know you support a Bernie and Elizabeth ticket but Quackers Dec 2019 #116

I appreciate your curiosity... don't feel "picked on" at all. I've had Bernie & Elizabeth InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #135

Reich's lying. He KNOWS this isn't true. Hortensis Dec 2019 #162

He could have just said Warren. TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #2

It's only a rant if it isnt backed up by anything. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #4

"It's only a rant if it isnt backed up by anything." TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #18

They are two peas in a pod with their economics. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #23

No, they are not. TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #24

Um. Did you see them on the debate stage defending each other's medicare for all policy? Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #26

You nailed it! Bernie & Elizabeth are basically in tune wit each other & will make one helluva team! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #139

Sanders is surging in the polls and Warren is dropping. StrictlyRockers Dec 2019 #27

100% Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #35

Solidarity StrictlyRockers Dec 2019 #54

Agreed Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #55

I concur that Warren is dropping... brooklynite Dec 2019 #126

Keep your eyes peeled. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #144

Yeah the Sanders surging is mostly aspirational at this point. StrictlyRockers Dec 2019 #154

Thank you! nt sheshe2 Jan 2020 #163

You said it!! The Sanders/Warren team is unstoppable...they will CLOBBER Dolt 45 & his Rethug pals. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #39

:) Like hell they are! If she doesn't despise him as much as Hortensis Dec 2019 #45

Did you not see them defending each other on m4a on the debate stage? Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #46

No, I didn't watch them. I record the debates but only Hortensis Dec 2019 #48

M4A is far more popular than the ACA ever was. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #49

Only those who don't know what it is. Most of those had Hortensis Dec 2019 #50

ACA had less than 20% support when passed. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #51

You believe what you want. Many very smart, competent and Hortensis Dec 2019 #52

Sure. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #53

M4A is more like prior to 1990s Democratic proposed healthcare plans PufPuf23 Dec 2019 #94

It seems to make more sense... ACA is I think identical to Nixon's proposed plan Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #95

Some sanders supporters are really pushing this concept Gothmog Jan 2020 #164

We're going to elect two Presidents next year? George II Dec 2019 #3

We are going to elect Bernie, and Warren will be his VP. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #5

Why didn't I think of that!! Hahaha!! Bernie & Elizabeth will make one helluva team!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #40

Bluestate you've been ahead of the game for a while now! Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #44

Thank you for that Tiggeroshii. That's EXACTLY what is going to happen... count on it!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #136

The left can see the writing on the wall that neither can win a primary...so the idea is to run as Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #7

It's the key to victory, as I've predicted for many years!! Time to face the political reality!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #42

The reality is that neither Warren nor Sanders will be the nominee...there will be no Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #63

Thanks for bringing the topic back yo reality. Neither will win the primary redstateblues Dec 2019 #132

Obviously that was not what Reich said. nt PufPuf23 Dec 2019 #98

Reich is delusional...Neither Sanders nor Warren will win the nomination nor would they win a Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #6

They are the only candidates that have a shot at bringing in any serious coattails in red or purple Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #8

I think both will lose the EC...Sander has a bit of a chance...but they will be branded socialist... Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #9

When was the last time a candidate was branded socialist? Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #10

Yes, TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #59

Whether or not he accepts it, people who want to believe it, will. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #70

Warren and Sanders are not socialists and Sanders is a social democrat. PufPuf23 Dec 2019 #99

Please don't be condescending to me. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #106

Seriously that is a 44 second 1989 video of Bernie Sanders. PufPuf23 Dec 2019 #108

Just a heads up Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #110

Thank you. PufPuf23 Dec 2019 #119

Good choice! Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #120

Bernie calls himself a Democratic Socialist redstateblues Dec 2019 #134

I'm not a socialist TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #142

...uhhuh Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #109

Yes, I can cite at least one specific policy that fits the definition of socialism. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #131

I would argue that none of those examples fall under the "means of production" taken over by the Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #138

You can argue it, TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #140

Sigh Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #143

You too. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #148

Cheers Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #149

"I believe that I've proven my point." NurseJackie Dec 2019 #158

Bernie is a Democratic Socialist not a social democrat. Bernie claims he is a redstateblues Dec 2019 #133

This would be playing on a nonstop loop on every TV and Facebook page... NurseJackie Dec 2019 #159

You can't make people believe Biden is a socialist...he is too well known...but Warren and Sanders Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #67

Right wingers believe trump is a better Prez than Lincoln. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #71

We need three states...MI, WI and PA...the policies advanced by both Sanders and Warren will not Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #87

They will. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #91

You are probably wrong. nt PufPuf23 Dec 2019 #100

Totally agree with you. Desert grandma Dec 2019 #129

Except that siongle payer is popular among actual voters. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #28

Until the voters learn how much it will cost, TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #62

Single payer is cheaper in every country where it exists. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #64

From an earlier post: guillaumeb Dec 2019 #66

It is not popular. This is why Warren is slipping IMHO. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #65

The insurance profiteers are spending billions to frighten voters. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #68

What is said and posted on DU TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #72

But that narrative of supposed higher cost is untrue. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #73

The thing is that the narrative can't be proven as untrue. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #75

Alternate facts are believed by some. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #76

I am familiar with Medicare as my sis in law has it and it is not that great...why would I support s Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #88

Most seniors have a positive opinion of Medicare. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #92

Medicare saved my life. PufPuf23 Dec 2019 #102

Congratulations, and further good luck. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #111

Thank you. I cannot see why someone eligible would not like MediCare and PufPuf23 Dec 2019 #121

We are not Canada and it will happen here...as for liking it...it is all that is available but the Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #130

+1,000,000!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #43

Look at Reichs smirk as he starts the video. TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #25

The thing is he creates false expectations...neither are going to be the nominee. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #69

A professed capitalist and Democrat on the same ticket as a professed socialist and an Independent? beastie boy Dec 2019 #11

I mean, it's about as reasonable. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #12

As fundamental commonalities between Catholics, Orthodox Christians and Protestants are overwhelming beastie boy Dec 2019 #14

The examples of warren and Sanders are just a little less charged Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #16

Just a little bit. But you got to start somewhere! beastie boy Dec 2019 #22

It may not have been clear... Newest Reality Dec 2019 #13

I think in order for Warren people to get behind Bernie in the primaries, she would NEED to VP. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #17

My point, and I apologize for the facetiousness of it, is the two are ideologically incompatible beastie boy Dec 2019 #20

2018 Robert Reich: Odds are against Dem takeover of House Jose Garcia Dec 2019 #15

Everything he said was true. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #19

No... revmclaren Dec 2019 #30

Why do you think they were wrong? Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #31

Even with voter surpression we still won. revmclaren Dec 2019 #38

100% Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #41

Yeah, BS said he didn't think so, either.. they were Cha Dec 2019 #56

Reich's statements are heavily influenced by being in academia. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #80

You pretty much slime many students who work and PufPuf23 Dec 2019 #107

Go Bears! The Valley Below Dec 2019 #114

You mentioned what was occurring back in the 1970s and 1980s. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #147

WOW Thank you for the time to compose that history. PufPuf23 Dec 2019 #156

Robert Reich: Don't worry, Hillary Clinton will win the election (NOVEMBER 8, 2016) Scurrilous Dec 2019 #21

who seriously believes bernie will accept being vice prex nominee? nt msongs Dec 2019 #29

I agree. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #74

Policy-wise, Bernie and Elizabeth are very close.. whathehell Dec 2019 #82

Warren is a declared capitalist. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #84

As are they all, except Bernie -- Her policies are decidedly not "capitalist" whathehell Dec 2019 #86

Elizabeth Warren..yes I can see that.. Bernie Sanders, not a chance in hell Peacetrain Dec 2019 #32

Dare I hope? bluedye33139 Dec 2019 #33

Yes. Newest Reality Dec 2019 #34

This is the problem with legalizing marijuana LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #37

Huh? cwydro Dec 2019 #47

LOL The Valley Below Dec 2019 #115

... betsuni Dec 2019 #122

Reminds me of a song... revmclaren Dec 2019 #141

Reich, Warren, Sanders -- All critical of Obama, and Clinton by association, up to 2016 election. Hoyt Dec 2019 #57

Why not Both ! Whynotboth Dec 2019 #58

The ticket would go down in defeat. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #78

I think you're wrong. Whynotboth Dec 2019 #79

You're entitled to your opinion as I'm entitled to mine. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #81

I think the "centrists"... Whynotboth Dec 2019 #85

I feel very strongly about winning the election TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #90

Because I don't want either one. that's Why. Cha Dec 2019 #83

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #60

You are welcome... Newest Reality Dec 2019 #61

Agree, and the reason is they ENERGIZE the base more than others at140 Dec 2019 #77

This is not a base election...this is an EC election...and the voters we need are not 'base' voters. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #89

May be, but very few elections are won without the base at140 Dec 2019 #96

Much of the base is AA voters and Sanders and Warren do not do well with this base...those Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #127

I would like to believe that but, I have a point to make at140 Dec 2019 #128

You have all the right people freaked out too. BeckyDem Dec 2019 #93

BAM! JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #101

ha ha +1 BeckyDem Dec 2019 #104

Robert Reich is concise and spot on in this video clip. PufPuf23 Dec 2019 #97

You're SO right about RR... and Bernie & Elizabeth, as I've been advocating for many many years. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #137

I'm giving this a kick without reading the thread. ;) Kurt V. Dec 2019 #103

I'll give Reich an A+ for imagination. LOL. highplainsdem Dec 2019 #105

What is Reich's skill set at political analysis? brooklynite Dec 2019 #112

Hey, he can dismiss moderates as "milquetoast moderates." Leftwingers will adore him. highplainsdem Dec 2019 #118

Far more skill at political analysis than you and Buttigieg PufPuf23 Dec 2019 #123

I don't disagree that Reich can explain his conclusions, I disagree with the basis of his conclusion brooklynite Dec 2019 #124

Reich is probably too direct and uncomfortably correct too often PufPuf23 Dec 2019 #125

And, all you have are insults Cha Dec 2019 #146

I posted more than "insults" in this thread. PufPuf23 Dec 2019 #152

You don't hear the main reason Reich did this video until 5:13. He's worried about highplainsdem Dec 2019 #113

Thanks for that, hpd.. 'cause I sure Cha Dec 2019 #145

If you did not view the video, why are you even PufPuf23 Dec 2019 #150

I'm replying highplainsdem.. It's none of Cha Dec 2019 #151

You're welcome, Cha! I found the image off-putting, too, but I wanted to hear Reich's highplainsdem Dec 2019 #155

Thank you for this observation Gothmog Jan 2020 #166

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #117

Oh Dear wiley Dec 2019 #153

Wow. He's really getting dragged on the tweet. Kahuna7 Dec 2019 #157

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha nt NYMinute Dec 2019 #160

Boink! Scurrilous Dec 2019 #161

In some ways Sanders already won booley Jan 2020 #165

I agree. Newest Reality Jan 2020 #167