Democratic Primaries

corbettkroehler

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44. It Was Far Worse Than That

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 01:48 PM

Dec 2019

DUers have claimed that there is no Sanders surge at all, full stop, period. That is wrong and I stand by this poll AND SANDERS' CRUSHING LEAD as an appropriate rebuttal. However, if you'd like another, since you have accused me of cherrypicking, try the latest Monmouth national poll, showing Sanders' net favorability numbers UP 6 points in a month on a national poll of Democrats. Try defining that as something other than a surge. Go ahead, try:

[Full results available here]

Now what do you have? Let me save you the keystrokes – no combination of words would convince me that I have shown anything other than proof a surge. To be explicitly clear: I offer this not as proof of victory but that the Sanders surge is real.

The surge is real and there's an end to it. Waste your time if you like. Your efforts to dissuade me will end in disappointment (assuming I decide to offer a further reply at all).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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No Sanders Surge? New Quinnipiac Poll: Primary Voters Under 35 Favor Bernie By YUGE Margin [View all] corbettkroehler Dec 2019 OP

Thanks! JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #1

Damn straight!! We've talked about gettin young people involved in the political process for SO long InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #10

Now all he has to do is get young voters to show up and vote. brooklynite Dec 2019 #2

Also that poll doesn't include just Democratic voters still_one Dec 2019 #3

Good Catch - I Have Corrected My Post's Title corbettkroehler Dec 2019 #6

It is primary preference for Dem and Dem leaning voters. What point are you making? (n/t) thesquanderer Dec 2019 #12

To Be Fair, My Original Post Title Included The Word "Dem" But Should Not Have corbettkroehler Dec 2019 #26

Though this particular question was asked only of Dems and Dem-leaners. (n/t) thesquanderer Dec 2019 #40

Independents are included, and i remain skeptical on the criteria of "leaning" still_one Dec 2019 #34

criteria "self-identified". Someone could lie, but why? Especially before they hear the questions? thesquanderer Dec 2019 #39

It is just my view. I also give little weighting at this stage of national polls, and from what i still_one Dec 2019 #42

re: "those who indicate they could change their mind" thesquanderer Dec 2019 #50

Yes it is interesting still_one Dec 2019 #51

Absolutely... and Bernie WILL!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #11

Exactly who votes is vital. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #4

The question is whether the parents will let them borrow the car to get to the polls to vote? TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #5

Will Do - But The Caucus And Primary Infrastructure Is Far Superior This Cycle corbettkroehler Dec 2019 #7

I'm still dubious as to whether any of these polling numbers TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #25

Point Taken - The Campaign's Millions Of Voter Contact Attempts Are More Important corbettkroehler Dec 2019 #29

Voter contact attempts do not equate to voters. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #49

He doesn't lead in any other age group Renato ray Dec 2019 #8

im in wash state.... we are all mail in so.. samnsara Dec 2019 #28

Right.. nor in the overall poll... Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #41

The customary "younger voter" demographic has been 18-29 years old, I wonder why.... George II Dec 2019 #9

In 2016 Primary, Sanders Drew More Young Voters Than Clinton And Trump Combined corbettkroehler Dec 2019 #13

This confirms that by just appealing to younger voters one can't win. George II Dec 2019 #15

The Point Was Pulling Young Voters corbettkroehler Dec 2019 #20

...and still lost the Primary brooklynite Dec 2019 #19

By the way, overall the Quinnipiac results are... George II Dec 2019 #14

There's Been A Blanket Denial Of The Existence Of ANY Sanders Surge Here On DU corbettkroehler Dec 2019 #21

Right!! He polls well with those that have a dismal voting record Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #43

And that same group pays the least attention to the campaign. honest.abe Dec 2019 #16

Oh, Right, That's Why Sanders Crushed The 2016 Primary With Young Voters corbettkroehler Dec 2019 #22

I wonder what the total % turnout of young voters was, and how it compared with other age groups. George II Dec 2019 #24

When It Comes To This Question - Don't Know, Don't Care (n/t) corbettkroehler Dec 2019 #30

You literally just argued against and for the same poll. TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #37

These numbers are for the 2016 General Election, but I don't think primary voters would change much: George II Dec 2019 #27

I s'pose stripping away so many other relevant demographics to achieve one favorable result LanternWaste Dec 2019 #17

Indeed - see my post #14! George II Dec 2019 #18

He Went From Heart Attack To Crushing His Rivals With Voters Under 35 In 6 Weeks But Didn't Surge? corbettkroehler Dec 2019 #23

It isn't a surge if more of the older voters changed their minds TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #31

Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #33

A one-group surge Renato ray Dec 2019 #32

It Was Far Worse Than That corbettkroehler Dec 2019 #44

I don't think anyone is trying to dissuade you Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #47

An important demographic yes... but one that obviously could care less if they vote!!! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #45

In 2016 Bernie won more under 30 votes than Trump and Hillary combined -- by a lot. pnwmom Dec 2019 #35

What does that have to do with a surge. TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #38

Your assertion isn't supported by your evidence. OilemFirchen Dec 2019 #46

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #48