Democratic Primaries

George II

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59. We need to be where we need to be to win, and "left" just isn't it.

Reply to Skidmore (Reply #40)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:33 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sick of hearing that we can't go too far left [View all] Calculating Dec 2019 OP

Maybe people are saying that because they know Democrats won't win that way.... George II Dec 2019 #1

I truly hope you see the blatant flaws in your argument... TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #2

You're correct. NurseJackie Dec 2019 #36

+1000 ehrnst Dec 2019 #43

Well that makes two of us BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #3

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #4

Exactly Calculating Dec 2019 #18

There are not enough Democrats to win the electoral college NYMinute Dec 2019 #62

Yup - also, you move far to left you'll be shaking hands with the extreme right. Not good at all demosincebirth Dec 2019 #106

"The only thing in the middle of the road The Mouth Dec 2019 #23

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #25

jim hightower rampartc Dec 2019 #80

Thanks! The Mouth Dec 2019 #83

Convictions doesn't get you across the street Aquaria Dec 2019 #32

Other factors to consider: Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #34

First time posting, be kind LV487 Dec 2019 #69

Humphrey did run for the nomination in 1960 dflprincess Dec 2019 #74

McGovern ran in 1972 dflprincess Dec 2019 #75

Humphrey ran in the 1960 primary against JFK. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #90

Tricky Dick was as sexy as a turd. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2019 #109

Hard work and many years of planning The Mouth Dec 2019 #84

Where is the enthusiasm that would win someone you approve of the nomination? Kaleva Dec 2019 #35

Maybe some people's convictions are middle of the road. Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #37

"center-right corporatists?" Like who, specifically? (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #41

Hillary won. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2019 #5

Exactly! Iwasthere Dec 2019 #11

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #27

Oh gawd! I totally agree! Biden is like soggy bread. Scotch-Irish Dec 2019 #31

"Biden is like soggy bread"... don't think that's a fair characterization. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #105

Yes. But she should have been able zentrum Dec 2019 #13

Apparently the enthusiasm wasn't there for Sanders' "bold ideas" in the Primary" brooklynite Dec 2019 #20

++++++ NYMinute Dec 2019 #63

"SHE' should have been able to..." ehrnst Dec 2019 #42

Being attacked by progressives didn't help dansolo Dec 2019 #65

Voters staying home I blame the media! All we heard was Hillary will win, over & over again. napi21 Dec 2019 #77

The flaw in your argument is simple. Winning the election is more important than ANY policy position scheming daemons Dec 2019 #6

This election will be decided by moderates... Zeus69 Dec 2019 #7

I agree TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #8

Do we look anywhere we might see that? treestar Dec 2019 #58

We should be unreasonable and immoderate? The Valley Below Dec 2019 #9

Yes. We've been moved too far to the right. zentrum Dec 2019 #10

I wonder how far left, or right The Mouth Dec 2019 #24

I agree. wcast Dec 2019 #12

Get 60 votes squirecam Dec 2019 #92

Like this perhaps, appalachiablue Dec 2019 #14

Our most moderate candidate is way to the left of today's right on every issue, every policy. As emmaverybo Dec 2019 #15

I believe the whole "left-right" construct is counterproductive. Ron Green Dec 2019 #16

Calc, all studies show Dems returned to as liberal as we've ever been, Hortensis Dec 2019 #17

Failed experiment of the 90s? The Valley Below Dec 2019 #29

:) I'm not talking about our victories (and Clinton et al did Hortensis Dec 2019 #38

I don't agree with the characterization of the era. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Dec 2019 #50

They may have driven you to the right... LanternWaste Dec 2019 #19

I am sick of hearing it too. But like it or not, I must listen, or else beastie boy Dec 2019 #21

The left in Britain was sick of hearing it as well. They didn't have much fun on election night. Alhena Dec 2019 #22

too bad.. I want to WIN. Moderates WON in 2018 and Cha Dec 2019 #26

Then demonstrate from the historical record Aquaria Dec 2019 #28

If we go too far left, trump will win 45+ states Gothmog Dec 2019 #30

Seems so obvious, doesn't it? empedocles Dec 2019 #53

And I am tired of hgearing that what works in many other countries magically cannot guillaumeb Dec 2019 #33

Single payer makes great sense. Single payer in 2020 makes no sense. empedocles Dec 2019 #52

Which begs the question. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #57

When the Dems put up strong candidate, with long coattails, so it could be empedocles Dec 2019 #60

Very few countries have single payer Recursion Dec 2019 #61

Those that are mixed generally prohibit for profit insurers. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #67

That's also not true, and I have no idea where that claim comes from Recursion Dec 2019 #70

All of those countries require that insurance cover far more than in the US. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #72

Doesn't the ACA require that insurance be comprehensive? Sure, premiums are too high. But emmaverybo Dec 2019 #76

No on both counts Recursion Dec 2019 #78

It's how you present it. If people think they will lose something with MFA they won't support it. CTyankee Dec 2019 #91

Agreed. And this presentation that attempts to frame MFA as a loss guillaumeb Dec 2019 #93

Of course it is! But is it true? That is the question. CTyankee Dec 2019 #94

Given that Canada spends 1/2 what the US does for health care, guillaumeb Dec 2019 #95

My guess is that the people who defend US health care believe the socialism lie. CTyankee Dec 2019 #96

Agreed. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #98

They have parliamentary treestar Dec 2019 #99

The CRA was passed over GOP opposition. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #104

The reason the ACA wasn't all that many people wanted treestar Dec 2019 #107

I would argue that the ACA was the product guillaumeb Dec 2019 #108

Wrong: The Republicans have driven us so far to the right" betsuni Dec 2019 #39

Sick of hearing Skidmore Dec 2019 #40

+++ still_one Dec 2019 #49

I agree with you Gothmog Dec 2019 #56

We need to be where we need to be to win, and "left" just isn't it. George II Dec 2019 #59

+++ nt brer cat Dec 2019 #66

If I hear that Dems are getting out "over our skis" I'm going to scream... CTyankee Dec 2019 #44

I couldn't... myohmy2 Dec 2019 #45

Who is the "us" you say "has been driven so far to the right?" ehrnst Dec 2019 #46

3 million more people voted for Clinton than Trump Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #48

"Change we can believe in" Cetacea Dec 2019 #51

Yep. No one seems to be telling the Republicans they can't go too far right. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2019 #54

I mean, other than the voters Recursion Dec 2019 #64

Our system favors them treestar Dec 2019 #100

It's not that we can't go far left... OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #55

A republican from the 1950s would be "too far left" booley Dec 2019 #68

No, the GOP opposed Truman's healthcare reform attempt Recursion Dec 2019 #79

The drift to the right didn't happen over night nini Dec 2019 #71

Two words Karma13612 Dec 2019 #73

Believe me I'm sick of it too Jake Stern Dec 2019 #81

You can go as far left as you want. But you could well lose the election for all of us. Still, all emmaverybo Dec 2019 #82

The question I would ask you is this crazytown Dec 2019 #85

And you're willing to take the risk? brooklynite Dec 2019 #86

Personally, I think the election was stolen from both Kerry and Gore. Biden is no Mondale emmaverybo Dec 2019 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Dec 2019 #88

Economic models point to a Trump blowout in 2020 Gothmog Dec 2019 #89

Tony Evers says a pragmatic Democrat can carry Wisconsin in 2020 Gothmog Dec 2019 #97

Clinton evertonfc Dec 2019 #101

Of course we could go too far left. But I don't think that any of our candidates totodeinhere Dec 2019 #102

Anyone who says we can't go too far left has few, if any, solutions to today's problems. LonePirate Dec 2019 #103

A far left nominee will kill down ballot races Gothmog Dec 2019 #110