Democratic Primaries

TwilightZone

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56. Doesn't matter.

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 11:08 PM

Dec 2019

The point is that more than half of Democrats identify as moderates or conservatives. They're not doing so to avoid being labeled progressives. They're doing so because they consider themselves moderates or conservatives.

The assertion that they just don't know what they're talking about and that they're all really progressives in the real world - a common refrain around here - is silly and misguided.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Quickly Nominating Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren Is Democrats' Best Chance at 2020 [View all] Uncle Joe Dec 2019 OP

YES YES YES! Faux pas Dec 2019 #1

And I raise you a YES!! Excellent analysis... why Bernie & Elizabeth got this thang!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #82

Yesterday Vogue, today GQ. George II Dec 2019 #2

Strike a pose there's nothing to it! NurseJackie Dec 2019 #14

Wishing Isn't Going To Make It So Me. Dec 2019 #83

That's Teen Vogue! beastie boy Dec 2019 #28

Oh right, I forgot that. The thing is, if they're spread evenly over that decade.... George II Dec 2019 #30

Why would anyone pay attention to this publication on political issues? Gothmog Dec 2019 #41

Respectfully, perhaps for a very good reason that narrow focus is preventing you from seeing. better Dec 2019 #59

Did you read the article cited? Gothmog Dec 2019 #62

Yes, I did read it, but with an objective, open mind. Can you honestly claim the same? better Dec 2019 #63

I read the article and I found the article to be so bad that it was funny Gothmog Dec 2019 #66

Now see those were all reasonable arguments, even though I may not be in complete agreement. better Dec 2019 #67

I have worked on a number of campaigns and the article is simply wrong Gothmog Dec 2019 #68

Uhuh. Sounds a little desperate-feeling to me. Hortensis Dec 2019 #78

"But a HARD turn to the left is what's right, because the times in which we live demand it." brooklynite Dec 2019 #79

Not just the Democratic voters, I would venture that independents have a similar view still_one Dec 2019 #93

. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #3

"the moderates aren't the unity candidates--the progressives are." TwilightZone Dec 2019 #4

My guess is roughly 60%, maybe more. That leaves 15-20 on either end of the horseshoe. George II Dec 2019 #11

Bernie hasn't attacked Trump? Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #15

And he spends an inordinate amount of time attacking other Dems and the party. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #23

I just posted links with Bernie attacking Trump whether right, left or in the middle to prove Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #24

You certainly leave yourself enough wiggle room to drive a truck through. LanternWaste Dec 2019 #25

Can you name a single personal attack that Bernie has made against any Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #27

It doesn't have to be personal... attacking Dems the way he does is wrong! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #33

Here's some numbers that lend a lot of credibility to your argument Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #32

I have made a habit of tuning out any poll at this stage of the campaign. totodeinhere Dec 2019 #38

How can those at one end of the spectrum be the "unity candidates"? Makes me shake my head. George II Dec 2019 #44

The onion? Love them. NT TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #5

This is my take on this article: dware Dec 2019 #6

I love how so many folks like to casually brush aside historical precedent and common sense. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #7

The electorate is deeply polarized ritapria Dec 2019 #17

A myth? Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #31

See post #32 for some eye popping numbers about what the dem voters want!! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #34

Historical precedent undermines the author's argument. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #18

"Historical precedent"? How many far left or socialist candidates have won the presidency? George II Dec 2019 #45

It is not sensible at all...voters are going for Biden...a perceived moderate. Both Sanders and Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #47

Warren, maybe. Aquaria Dec 2019 #8

Polls show Sanders stronger against Trump than anyone other than Biden, thesquanderer Dec 2019 #69

Links? TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #73

Seriously? Most of them. thesquanderer Dec 2019 #87

Okay, I misread your earlier statement. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #88

Yes, but all consistent with my point. Biden is strongest vs Trump, Sanders is second strongest, thesquanderer Dec 2019 #89

Sanders, Warren won't win back Trump voters left-of-center2012 Dec 2019 #9

Who said that is the best strategy? Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #20

If only the young voted! Every cycle they have a bazillion reasons why the didn't vote! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #35

Haaaaaa! NurseJackie Dec 2019 #10

Perfect! Thank you empedocles Dec 2019 #54

I love Joe Biden. He is a patriot who has served his country well. But... totodeinhere Dec 2019 #12

+10,000 Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #22

See post #32 Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #36

I just replied to post #32. n/t totodeinhere Dec 2019 #39

trump has been throwing everything he has against Joe and has failed to hurt Joe Gothmog Dec 2019 #42

Boy are you wrong. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #43

BS...Biden has been attacked relentless and stood tall... so you want to believe it...but it isn't Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #48

Hasn't worked yet. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #57

The American public has the attention span of a gnat. LisaM Dec 2019 #13

It would certainly deflate the Ukraine/Bidens strategy the GOP has gone all in on Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #16

Progressive isn't one of the poll options. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #19

Again, simplistic labels without linkage to specific values or policies nt Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #21

Doesn't matter. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #56

Neither Sanders nor Warren will win the states we need in the Mid West...they do not approve of Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #49

Most voters approve of progressive policies TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #90

Most people approve of progressive policies, period Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #92

See, this is the problem with legalizing marijuana LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #26

Ha, ha! DavidDvorkin Dec 2019 #29

The revolution will be televised... OilemFirchen Dec 2019 #37

NOT! 😁 Wawannabe Dec 2019 #81

A quick one, eh? Scurrilous Dec 2019 #40

If as I expect, Biden is way out front...and winning primaries...Sanders will look foolish should he Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #50

Both Sanders and Ted Kennedy thought they had a chance to change things at the convention. Scurrilous Dec 2019 #60

And the Democrats lost the subsequent national elections. nt TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #91

i do like warren.. samnsara Dec 2019 #46

If only those pesky voters would get out of the way..... brooklynite Dec 2019 #51

It's not like evertonfc Dec 2019 #52

How are either one of those candidates doing with African American women, the backbone of our party. demgrrrll Dec 2019 #53

Sounds like GQ is promoting a coronation. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2019 #55

BS. There's a reason neither of them is the front-runner. All the polling indicates our best highplainsdem Dec 2019 #58

Sorry but I want to win by the biggest margin in the swing states and JOE BIDEN will deliver that.nt UniteFightBack Dec 2019 #61

nailed it... myohmy2 Dec 2019 #64

Ouch: George II Dec 2019 #65

Now This can't even spell Bernie's surname correctly. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #75

The primaries will be over by the end of March, TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #70

A little more info about Mr. Jentelson Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #72

So? TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #74

There were a lot of words in the OP as would be the case Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #76

Quality, not quantity. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #80

"Prioritizing electability in presidential elections led Democrats to nominate John Kerry" thesquanderer Dec 2019 #71

Fantasyland RelativelyJones Dec 2019 #77

Poll: Trump beats Sanders by 3 in VA, loses to Biden by 5 - link Alhena Dec 2019 #84

Look at the enthusiasm booley Dec 2019 #85

I agree booley furthermore to address a point in your post Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #86