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dansolo

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65. Being attacked by progressives didn't help

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:03 AM

Dec 2019

The problem wasn't merely a lack of enthusiasm. There were people on the left who knowingly assisted the Republicans by repeating their propoganda against Hillary Clinton. The left actively worked against her, even knowing that Trump was the other option. I'm sorry, but anyone who didn't recognize the threat that Trump posed cannot call themselves progressive.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sick of hearing that we can't go too far left [View all] Calculating Dec 2019 OP

Maybe people are saying that because they know Democrats won't win that way.... George II Dec 2019 #1

I truly hope you see the blatant flaws in your argument... TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #2

You're correct. NurseJackie Dec 2019 #36

+1000 ehrnst Dec 2019 #43

Well that makes two of us BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #3

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #4

Exactly Calculating Dec 2019 #18

There are not enough Democrats to win the electoral college NYMinute Dec 2019 #62

Yup - also, you move far to left you'll be shaking hands with the extreme right. Not good at all demosincebirth Dec 2019 #106

"The only thing in the middle of the road The Mouth Dec 2019 #23

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #25

jim hightower rampartc Dec 2019 #80

Thanks! The Mouth Dec 2019 #83

Convictions doesn't get you across the street Aquaria Dec 2019 #32

Other factors to consider: Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #34

First time posting, be kind LV487 Dec 2019 #69

Humphrey did run for the nomination in 1960 dflprincess Dec 2019 #74

McGovern ran in 1972 dflprincess Dec 2019 #75

Humphrey ran in the 1960 primary against JFK. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #90

Tricky Dick was as sexy as a turd. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2019 #109

Hard work and many years of planning The Mouth Dec 2019 #84

Where is the enthusiasm that would win someone you approve of the nomination? Kaleva Dec 2019 #35

Maybe some people's convictions are middle of the road. Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #37

"center-right corporatists?" Like who, specifically? (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #41

Hillary won. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2019 #5

Exactly! Iwasthere Dec 2019 #11

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #27

Oh gawd! I totally agree! Biden is like soggy bread. Scotch-Irish Dec 2019 #31

"Biden is like soggy bread"... don't think that's a fair characterization. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #105

Yes. But she should have been able zentrum Dec 2019 #13

Apparently the enthusiasm wasn't there for Sanders' "bold ideas" in the Primary" brooklynite Dec 2019 #20

++++++ NYMinute Dec 2019 #63

"SHE' should have been able to..." ehrnst Dec 2019 #42

Being attacked by progressives didn't help dansolo Dec 2019 #65

Voters staying home I blame the media! All we heard was Hillary will win, over & over again. napi21 Dec 2019 #77

The flaw in your argument is simple. Winning the election is more important than ANY policy position scheming daemons Dec 2019 #6

This election will be decided by moderates... Zeus69 Dec 2019 #7

I agree TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #8

Do we look anywhere we might see that? treestar Dec 2019 #58

We should be unreasonable and immoderate? The Valley Below Dec 2019 #9

Yes. We've been moved too far to the right. zentrum Dec 2019 #10

I wonder how far left, or right The Mouth Dec 2019 #24

I agree. wcast Dec 2019 #12

Get 60 votes squirecam Dec 2019 #92

Like this perhaps, appalachiablue Dec 2019 #14

Our most moderate candidate is way to the left of today's right on every issue, every policy. As emmaverybo Dec 2019 #15

I believe the whole "left-right" construct is counterproductive. Ron Green Dec 2019 #16

Calc, all studies show Dems returned to as liberal as we've ever been, Hortensis Dec 2019 #17

Failed experiment of the 90s? The Valley Below Dec 2019 #29

:) I'm not talking about our victories (and Clinton et al did Hortensis Dec 2019 #38

I don't agree with the characterization of the era. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Dec 2019 #50

They may have driven you to the right... LanternWaste Dec 2019 #19

I am sick of hearing it too. But like it or not, I must listen, or else beastie boy Dec 2019 #21

The left in Britain was sick of hearing it as well. They didn't have much fun on election night. Alhena Dec 2019 #22

too bad.. I want to WIN. Moderates WON in 2018 and Cha Dec 2019 #26

Then demonstrate from the historical record Aquaria Dec 2019 #28

If we go too far left, trump will win 45+ states Gothmog Dec 2019 #30

Seems so obvious, doesn't it? empedocles Dec 2019 #53

And I am tired of hgearing that what works in many other countries magically cannot guillaumeb Dec 2019 #33

Single payer makes great sense. Single payer in 2020 makes no sense. empedocles Dec 2019 #52

Which begs the question. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #57

When the Dems put up strong candidate, with long coattails, so it could be empedocles Dec 2019 #60

Very few countries have single payer Recursion Dec 2019 #61

Those that are mixed generally prohibit for profit insurers. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #67

That's also not true, and I have no idea where that claim comes from Recursion Dec 2019 #70

All of those countries require that insurance cover far more than in the US. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #72

Doesn't the ACA require that insurance be comprehensive? Sure, premiums are too high. But emmaverybo Dec 2019 #76

No on both counts Recursion Dec 2019 #78

It's how you present it. If people think they will lose something with MFA they won't support it. CTyankee Dec 2019 #91

Agreed. And this presentation that attempts to frame MFA as a loss guillaumeb Dec 2019 #93

Of course it is! But is it true? That is the question. CTyankee Dec 2019 #94

Given that Canada spends 1/2 what the US does for health care, guillaumeb Dec 2019 #95

My guess is that the people who defend US health care believe the socialism lie. CTyankee Dec 2019 #96

Agreed. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #98

They have parliamentary treestar Dec 2019 #99

The CRA was passed over GOP opposition. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #104

The reason the ACA wasn't all that many people wanted treestar Dec 2019 #107

I would argue that the ACA was the product guillaumeb Dec 2019 #108

Wrong: The Republicans have driven us so far to the right" betsuni Dec 2019 #39

Sick of hearing Skidmore Dec 2019 #40

+++ still_one Dec 2019 #49

I agree with you Gothmog Dec 2019 #56

We need to be where we need to be to win, and "left" just isn't it. George II Dec 2019 #59

+++ nt brer cat Dec 2019 #66

If I hear that Dems are getting out "over our skis" I'm going to scream... CTyankee Dec 2019 #44

I couldn't... myohmy2 Dec 2019 #45

Who is the "us" you say "has been driven so far to the right?" ehrnst Dec 2019 #46

3 million more people voted for Clinton than Trump Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #48

"Change we can believe in" Cetacea Dec 2019 #51

Yep. No one seems to be telling the Republicans they can't go too far right. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2019 #54

I mean, other than the voters Recursion Dec 2019 #64

Our system favors them treestar Dec 2019 #100

It's not that we can't go far left... OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #55

A republican from the 1950s would be "too far left" booley Dec 2019 #68

No, the GOP opposed Truman's healthcare reform attempt Recursion Dec 2019 #79

The drift to the right didn't happen over night nini Dec 2019 #71

Two words Karma13612 Dec 2019 #73

Believe me I'm sick of it too Jake Stern Dec 2019 #81

You can go as far left as you want. But you could well lose the election for all of us. Still, all emmaverybo Dec 2019 #82

The question I would ask you is this crazytown Dec 2019 #85

And you're willing to take the risk? brooklynite Dec 2019 #86

Personally, I think the election was stolen from both Kerry and Gore. Biden is no Mondale emmaverybo Dec 2019 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Dec 2019 #88

Economic models point to a Trump blowout in 2020 Gothmog Dec 2019 #89

Tony Evers says a pragmatic Democrat can carry Wisconsin in 2020 Gothmog Dec 2019 #97

Clinton evertonfc Dec 2019 #101

Of course we could go too far left. But I don't think that any of our candidates totodeinhere Dec 2019 #102

Anyone who says we can't go too far left has few, if any, solutions to today's problems. LonePirate Dec 2019 #103

A far left nominee will kill down ballot races Gothmog Dec 2019 #110