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109. He ran a s a Progressive. People saw him as Progressive

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 03:47 PM

Dec 2019

That was why Obama chose Biden. He felt he had to reach out to more conservative members of the party.

But things like the ACA and other things, that all moved us to the left.

And MY POINT is that he didn't run on small incremental changes. He ran on big ideas. He inspired people, probably to the point that many thought he was more progressive than he really was. But the idea that he ran a "safe" campaign is not supported by the facts. There is a reason why Obama beat Clinton in the primary.

Also what probably really bugs me is the selective amnesia some appear to hold. That "center" used to be considered radical. The ACA and the consumer Protection Bureau and other stuff used to be considered out there.

If we don't give people a reason to vote, many of them won't vote, no matter how bad the other guy is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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American Leftists Believed Corbyn's Inevitable Victory Would Be Their Model [View all] brooklynite Dec 2019 OP

The Labour Party's indecisiveness on Brexit had a lot to do with it as well. Crowman2009 Dec 2019 #1

A big part of the problem was Cornyn proactively deciding to focus on the Left's economic issues... brooklynite Dec 2019 #9

maybe its a good message delivered by the wrong messenger nt msongs Dec 2019 #2

Leftist excerpts in the article are very scary. So is 'blue wave' theory. empedocles Dec 2019 #3

It's depressing that both the Tory and Labour Party have come to this... First Speaker Dec 2019 #4

Corbyn was not likable or inspiring. And perceived by some as anti Semitic and anti Muslim kimbutgar Dec 2019 #5

I would not have been able to vote Labour bluedye33139 Dec 2019 #78

Corbyn is a horrible comp to Bernie... VarryOn Dec 2019 #6

Sorry. Many people won't vote for Bernie is a primary for exactly most Blue_true Dec 2019 #12

No way he'd ever get my vote, for sure... VarryOn Dec 2019 #14

IDK. His position on Palestine would probably get smeared as anti-Semitic Recursion Dec 2019 #25

Bernie's position on Palestine is nuanced and correct. It is not anti-Semitic, Blue_true Dec 2019 #87

People will reach Recursion Dec 2019 #93

If Corbyn would have won OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #15

Oh yeah. Now it's.. "there's Cha Dec 2019 #20

Isn't this Bernie's campaign? OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #22

Yeah, so what happened?! Wrong guy? Cha Dec 2019 #23

Spot on. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #21

I have been a Corbyn phobe for several years, even before Brexit. Blue_true Dec 2019 #103

To me this speaks to the central problem with populism. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #104

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #29

Thanks for that.. I'm passing it on.. Cha Dec 2019 #31

Ya think! nina turner yesterday.. Cha Dec 2019 #30

Yes, see! OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #32

Or a 1000! Cha Dec 2019 #33

So you're happy that Corbyn lost? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #44

No way. OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #45

So your position is that when a candidate loses, it was a mistake to run that candidate? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #46

Apparently so? progressoid Dec 2019 #68

It was a mistake to run the candidate when his weakness was obvious months in advance brooklynite Dec 2019 #81

He didn't just lose...it was the worst defeat since what the 30's so yeah safe to say they should Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #90

I don't think so. rockfordfile Dec 2019 #101

Was there anyone expecting a Corbyn victory in the past year? enough Dec 2019 #7

People who have their head in the sand. Blue_true Dec 2019 #13

Labour managed to lose seats they had held since the 30s... brooklynite Dec 2019 #80

They can be found on Reddit and Twitter. Search for "#youthquake" Recursion Dec 2019 #26

I didn't expect a win, but I was hoping for a hung Parliament. Mike 03 Dec 2019 #53

Not me. LenaBaby61 Dec 2019 #59

I don't think anyone who was paying attention was expecting a Corbyn victory. Autumn Dec 2019 #108

For me the basic factor in the recent U.K. election is that the process was NOT fair or secure. abqtommy Dec 2019 #8

What actual evidence do you have the UK election wasn't "fair or secure"? brooklynite Dec 2019 #10

I had a text comment from a Brit in a DU op but no evidence that would satisfy a reTHUG. abqtommy Dec 2019 #16

Have you actually watched the UK Election tally? brooklynite Dec 2019 #17

I can say with complete confidence that you dware Dec 2019 #19

They literally show the two stacks of paper ballots next to each other Recursion Dec 2019 #27

People who believe that should open their eyes. Blue_true Dec 2019 #11

LOL @ THIS... Cha Dec 2019 #18

Corbyn is toast NYMinute Dec 2019 #24

Labour had a whole anti semitism scandal that pretty much destroyed their chances in the last weeks. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #28

Moving too far left is a bad idea Gothmog Dec 2019 #34

Andrew Sullivan Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #48

Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while... comradebillyboy Dec 2019 #57

Or, and stay with me here, it would be silly Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #58

Washington Post-Britain's Jeremy Corbyn: I got my ideas from Bernie Sanders Gothmog Dec 2019 #98

How exactly does that address the fact Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #106

Is thst the same Sullivan that supported W bush? WoonTars Dec 2019 #49

We'd be fools not to ignore the 2018 midterms Awsi Dooger Dec 2019 #94

Blowback from U.K. election burns Warren, Sanders Gothmog Dec 2019 #97

Apples and oranges. Brexit was the issue. Lack of a clear policy by the... WoonTars Dec 2019 #107

Of course. Radical leftists always believe they represent "the people." Hortensis Dec 2019 #35

"Radical Leftists"? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #36

I'd start with people who constantly throw areound the word "revolution" LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #37

Exactly right Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #39

Ummm, I have a fundamental problem with "America doesn't do revolution" Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #47

It doesn't Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #50

The country started with a revolution. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #51

And none since then Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #52

Civil War & Fight for Unions Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #56

Nope Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #60

That was clearly our economic revolution. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #61

No Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #64

Have you read about that time period? There was nothing easy and gradual about it. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #66

Still not revolution Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #72

Define revolution, then. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #76

Martin Luther King wouln't agree. progressoid Dec 2019 #71

What event was he specifically referring to Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #73

Um, there have been huge violent labor riots and strikes since colonial times geardaddy Dec 2019 #74

Still not revolution Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #75

Well, since you refuse to define what you think a revolution is, I think this "discussion" is done. progressoid Dec 2019 #84

Nothing in American history Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #86

And how many would we then have to rule out because of equivocation? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #40

No worries; that's only a problem if people are being deliberately obtuse LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #41

Yeah, THAT's it. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #43

"We are involved now in a serious revolution. This nation is still a place of cheap political... progressoid Dec 2019 #70

I appreciate Sanders precisely because he is not "a radical leftist" Tom Rinaldo Dec 2019 #38

I am not a Bernie fan, but Bernie isn't Corbyn. Happy Hoosier Dec 2019 #42

My analysis (short) Crowman Dec 2019 #54

Most of Corbyn's proposals were mainstream progressive. I don't think it's to anyone's totodeinhere Dec 2019 #65

It's not just about policy though.... Happy Hoosier Dec 2019 #67

Nationalizing industries is not "mainstream progressive" brooklynite Dec 2019 #83

Good point. But as a progressive myself I guess I tend to defend politicians on the left. totodeinhere Dec 2019 #85

Many countries have nationalized industries, Norway's Oil industry comes to mind... Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #88

Have Senator Warren advocate the same and see how far she gets... brooklynite Dec 2019 #89

Sorry, for a moment I forgot we are talking about the US. Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #95

I'm so glad I can come on to DU TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #55

If American leftists really believed that Corbyn's victory was inevitable then I want totodeinhere Dec 2019 #62

Nonsense. It was all about Brexit. Odoreida Dec 2019 #63

BUT, it reflects ignoring the issue voters cared about in favor of the candidate's issues brooklynite Dec 2019 #69

Whaaaaaat? Corbyn is awful bluedye33139 Dec 2019 #77

Given 2016 are you sure you want to make this argument? booley Dec 2019 #79

Obama did not run left...he ran as a moderate. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #91

He ran a s a Progressive. People saw him as Progressive booley Dec 2019 #109

Corbyn is a repugnant asshole. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2019 #82

The NYT has some great comments Gothmog Dec 2019 #92

Everyone seems to be happy Johnson won tenderfoot Dec 2019 #96

I dislike Johnson Gothmog Dec 2019 #99

Nonsense.. whathehell Dec 2019 #105

I don't know any leftist that thought that. It's clearly propaganda to push fascism rockfordfile Dec 2019 #100

I don't either, and I agree that its a propaganda effort, whathehell Dec 2019 #102