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Hortensis

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20. I know you're sincere, but socialism constrains freedom
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 04:20 PM
Dec 2019

far more than capitalism, both regulated and unregulated. Sure, everything's relative and people of socialist ideology have definitely been involved in freedom movements. But socialism's still universalist, collectivist, communal in essence, and individual freedoms take huge hits. Not just economically either.

What happens when the collective is the only medical device manufacturing employer in an 11-county area and a worker's cultural views don't suit the committee? That'd be under Sanders' system where management would tend to be local, not normally subject to centralized national management. Except when it wasn't. Since all systems are made up of people, they all have the same human flaws and cultural traits.

Including greed and lust for position, btw. All socialist systems develop hierarchies of have-a-lot-mores and have-lesses. And unlike under capitalism, economic mobility is one of the freedoms that takes a really big hit.

Bottom line, smart freedom fighters don't fight for socialism. That's strictly for people who'd be happy with less freedom in return for what they imagine would be more security.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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... Donkees Dec 2019 #1
That applies to the state as well Marengo Dec 2019 #3
Abolitionists, unions and civil rights activists are NOT socialists. Hortensis Dec 2019 #2
Great post. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2019 #4
Great post! Nothing like first-hand knowledge Hortensis Dec 2019 #5
Thanks! greatauntoftriplets Dec 2019 #6
I bet. China's advanced enormously over a short period Hortensis Dec 2019 #7
Oh, it has! greatauntoftriplets Dec 2019 #14
Plenty have been. WEB Du Bois and Harry Bridges to name a couple. David__77 Dec 2019 #8
Yes, googling's a marvel. Merry Christmas Eve. :) nt Hortensis Dec 2019 #10
Merry Christmas Eve to you! David__77 Dec 2019 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #15
Was all that work worth it? Enjoy your stay. George II Dec 2019 #16
Not sure if that was an essay or a diatribe... but it was a lot of work for not much reward or... NurseJackie Dec 2019 #18
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #9
Socialists have been at the heart of freedom movements. David__77 Dec 2019 #11
Congressman Meyer London ... Donkees Dec 2019 #13
Many non-socialists have been at the heart, too... George II Dec 2019 #17
Absolutely! David__77 Dec 2019 #19
I know you're sincere, but socialism constrains freedom Hortensis Dec 2019 #20
I get the argument. David__77 Dec 2019 #21
Many things have worked, but the constant flux of change, Hortensis Dec 2019 #22
Different views of social contract. David__77 Dec 2019 #23
Absolutely. Noting, btw, that political psychologists Hortensis Dec 2019 #24
And Merry Christmas to you! David__77 Dec 2019 #25
The US myth of the rugged individual is nonsense. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #26
K&R... great post Donkees!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #27
" Wall Street likes it that way. They want depressed and anxious sheep who can be sheared without a JudyM Dec 2019 #28
Dickens wrote it better... brooklynite Dec 2019 #29
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