Democratic Primaries

David__77

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21. I get the argument.

Tue Dec 24, 2019, 04:35 PM

Dec 2019

Here, I’m also not advocating for some specific social system. I think socialism and capitalism are not so different, actually. Is China socialist? Is Norway capitalist?

What I do think makes sense is increasing social guarantees of the state: housing, education, health care, employment, rest.

Edited to note: of course, all that is premised on sufficiently building up the aggregate economy. I don’t think it makes sense to establish legal “rights” not supportable by the economy. Redistribution cannot be the key means - rather, simultaneously building the aggregate economy while limited class polarization.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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That applies to the state as well Marengo Dec 2019 #3

Abolitionists, unions and civil rights activists are NOT socialists. Hortensis Dec 2019 #2

Great post. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2019 #4

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Thanks! greatauntoftriplets Dec 2019 #6

I bet. China's advanced enormously over a short period Hortensis Dec 2019 #7

Oh, it has! greatauntoftriplets Dec 2019 #14

Plenty have been. WEB Du Bois and Harry Bridges to name a couple. David__77 Dec 2019 #8

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Merry Christmas Eve to you! David__77 Dec 2019 #12

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Socialists have been at the heart of freedom movements. David__77 Dec 2019 #11

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Many non-socialists have been at the heart, too... George II Dec 2019 #17

Absolutely! David__77 Dec 2019 #19

I know you're sincere, but socialism constrains freedom Hortensis Dec 2019 #20

I get the argument. David__77 Dec 2019 #21

Many things have worked, but the constant flux of change, Hortensis Dec 2019 #22

Different views of social contract. David__77 Dec 2019 #23

Absolutely. Noting, btw, that political psychologists Hortensis Dec 2019 #24

And Merry Christmas to you! David__77 Dec 2019 #25

The US myth of the rugged individual is nonsense. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #26

K&R... great post Donkees!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #27

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Dickens wrote it better... brooklynite Dec 2019 #29