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16. Bernie and his campaign in general, no, they won't work to defeat the Dem nominee

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 02:47 PM

Dec 2019

Bernie is smart enough to know which side can deliver more of his goals. If there is one topic he truly cared about for decades it is healthcare and either one of our candidates has better solutions than just letting Obamacare and poor people die.

Whether this time Bernie will do more than in 2016 to not hurt the Dems or whether he will be in that position is another question.
But what some of his staff will do will be interesting. Will they fuel the flames again to make enough Bernie supporters who are butthurt about the primaries vote Green again? Will they boo civil rights leaders and true icons of our party again? Will Jane Sanders tweet again that it won't matter who you vote for?
Even on such a Dem forum like ours, you can see the resentment of the supporters of certain candidates towards the Democratic party and its leaders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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If Bernie Does Not Win Primary, Will His Campaign Work to Defeat the Democratic Nominee? [View all] TomCADem Dec 2019 OP

I don't expect them to help. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #1

Neither do I. That is why it is imperative to not screw around with them. Blue_true Dec 2019 #35

Some folks have said this for a few years now... Eliot Rosewater Dec 2019 #2

I would hope not, but its none of my concern. aikoaiko Dec 2019 #3

He's always claimed the Repub-Dems corruptly serve the same Hortensis Dec 2019 #4

Cult like thinking Dream Girl Dec 2019 #8

Too often. Some also always oppose the greater, majority, power. Hortensis Dec 2019 #13

My Guess Is Me. Dec 2019 #28

2020 looks a lot like 2016 REDUX. While I remain Undecided I have done some winnowing of the abqtommy Dec 2019 #5

sanders supporters elected trump Gothmog Dec 2019 #34

What I think is BlueMTexpat Dec 2019 #6

Again? MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #7

I'd bet on it... comradebillyboy Dec 2019 #9

Of course they will. boomer_wv Dec 2019 #10

If Bernie didn't care about the Democrats winning he would have run as an independent vsrazdem Dec 2019 #11

That's not what he has said publicly Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #12

Wrong. Your source makes no such claim. Your edit leaves a false impression Tom Rinaldo Dec 2019 #30

He Also Would've Run As An Indie Me. Dec 2019 #29

I've tried makin this point to no avail...some here have even actively ADVOCATED for Bernie to run InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #63

Bernie 2020!!! ahoysrcsm Dec 2019 #111

YES WE WILL!!!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #120

BERNIE NUMBER ONE!!! BERNIE NUMBER ONE!!! ahoysrcsm Dec 2019 #130

Sanders only cares about Democrats winning Skidmore Dec 2019 #114

Bernie Supporters did more to get Trump elected in 2016 than people realize Gothmog Dec 2019 #14

More voters went from Hillary Clinton to John McCain in 2008 than went from Sanders to Trump in 2016 vsrazdem Dec 2019 #15

From Norm Ornstein Gothmog Dec 2019 #21

More voters went from Hillary Clinton to John McCain in 2008 than went from Sanders to Trump in 2016 vsrazdem Dec 2019 #22

You are wrong-84 % if Clinton voters voted for Obama vs. 74% of sanders voters Gothmog Dec 2019 #25

HA! PROOF! Mahalo, Goth!! Cha Dec 2019 #31

One cannot just look at sanders voters who voted for trump Gothmog Dec 2019 #32

Exactly what I've been thinking the whole time.. Cha Dec 2019 #36

Then you should tell them their research study is wrong, vsrazdem Dec 2019 #39

The study itself never supported your claim Gothmog Dec 2019 #64

ornstein is a conservative. Kurt V. Dec 2019 #68

... mcar Dec 2019 #71

am i wrong on this? Kurt V. Dec 2019 #72

I'd take a million conservatives like Ornstein over the extremes we see today mcar Dec 2019 #75

That's not actually a thing. crap :( Kurt V. Dec 2019 #79

Who is a Never Trumper and is well respected in the real world Gothmog Dec 2019 #83

i don't respect him. he refuses to acknowledge his own role (as a conservative) in this shitshow. Kurt V. Dec 2019 #84

You are free to do so but I trust Ornstein on numbers Gothmog Dec 2019 #87

Ornstein is quoting a footnote from Cooperative Congressional Election Survey Gothmog Dec 2019 #100

So what if they did? TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #50

Survey Shows Fewer than 80% of Sanders Supporters Who Voted in General Election Voted for Clinton Gothmog Dec 2019 #98

Not sure I would take heart to information from a blogger member of the libertarian party. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #126

The material posted is from Cooperative Congressional Election Survey Gothmog Dec 2019 #127

I don't see any actual survey. I did however see the link to "see the story" which included vsrazdem Dec 2019 #128

LOL-did you read the fine print that states where the data came from CCES Gothmog Dec 2019 #129

You do know that sanders has people who voted for Jill Stein on his staff Gothmog Dec 2019 #125

84% is less than 74%??? Gothmog Dec 2019 #26

The poster won't respond to actual numbers. He or she prefer pulling up skewed studies that no Blue_true Dec 2019 #45

It seems that you are correct Gothmog Dec 2019 #91

The person has had most of the night to respond to your post, crickets so far. nt Blue_true Dec 2019 #95

Sorry I'm not responding. I happen to be working, which I do 13 hours a day 6 days a week. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #97

The material posted is from Cooperative Congressional Election Survey Gothmog Dec 2019 #101

You are dead wrong. Something like 8% of PUMAS voted for McCain, Blue_true Dec 2019 #37

Not according to this study. Do you have other facts to back up your clami. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #38

Other studies dispute your claim. It is up to you to prove, I have no dog Blue_true Dec 2019 #44

That is consisted with what I have read Gothmog Dec 2019 #65

Context is everything. lapucelle Dec 2019 #61

Bernie and his campaign in general, no, they won't work to defeat the Dem nominee Hav Dec 2019 #16

Bernie is not interested in delivering his goals dansolo Dec 2019 #122

No, but right wing talking points don't help. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #17

How does it help when his campaign is retweeting this? OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #18

I don't know, do you think its true? I saw someone on THIS board, say they would not vote vsrazdem Dec 2019 #19

I'm voting for Bernie if he is the nominee OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #20

Absolutely NO ONE has said or even remotely implied that they won't support Bernie as our nominee. Blue_true Dec 2019 #40

ABSOLUTELY FALSE!!! Someone on this board just this week stated they would not vote for Bernie vsrazdem Dec 2019 #42

I hope that you called that person's ass out, because if I had seen it, that is what Blue_true Dec 2019 #46

I would be right there with you. I was quite shocked at that comment as it is the first time I have vsrazdem Dec 2019 #48

I saw that too!! Sad. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #59

Bernie 2020!!!! ahoysrcsm Dec 2019 #109

Link. betsuni Dec 2019 #115

Sorry, can't give you the link because it was deleted by poster Gothmog. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #118

"Voting my conscience." I thought that was good. betsuni Dec 2019 #121

I regularly see Sanders supporters saying this mcar Dec 2019 #73

Then Bernie's Campaign Needs To Stop Pushing Russian/Ring Wing Talking Points TomCADem Dec 2019 #23

I hope not, but the minute he isn't the nominee he leaves the party. redstatebluegirl Dec 2019 #24

He campaigned for the last one. I suppose he will do it for whoever the nominee is this time. Autumn Dec 2019 #27

He really didn't campaign for Hillary. He took Blue_true Dec 2019 #43

He campaigned for Hillary. 52 events in 14 states, more than any other surrogate. Autumn Dec 2019 #52

He vanished after the convention and didn't come back until October. Blue_true Dec 2019 #58

Why bring this up. Just another hit piece on bernie. Joe941 Dec 2019 #33

Seems like a legitimate topic for discussion. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #53

It also wouldnt be discussed if Bernie wasnt doing extremely well... Joe941 Dec 2019 #56

Yet, he is rarely at the top of any of the polls. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #77

They can't help themselves. Every post about Bernies causes severe anxiety and people just have vsrazdem Dec 2019 #41

Not only that, but some can't even find a SINGLE positive thing to say about Bernie InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #60

That's the spirit! The Valley Below Dec 2019 #105

BERNIE!!! BERNIE!!! BERNIE!!! ahoysrcsm Dec 2019 #110

du rec. nt BootinUp Dec 2019 #47

No. egduj Dec 2019 #49

they live here , work here, and feel the traumas of the trump admin. not a chance. Kurt V. Dec 2019 #51

No reason to think he wouldnt. His track record says as much. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #54

They are radical enough to do that..... chillfactor Dec 2019 #55

And there you have it, in case anyone doubted...at least your honest Chillactor in saying: InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #66

BERNIE NUMBER ONE!!!!! ahoysrcsm Dec 2019 #112

I Supported Bernie Then Donated To And Phone Called For Hillary DanieRains Dec 2019 #57

THIS!!! Hat's off to you... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #67

BERNIE!!! BERNIE!!! BERNIE!!! ahoysrcsm Dec 2019 #113

Yes n/t NYMinute Dec 2019 #62

This is hillarious! If Bernie wins will Bloomberg work to take Bernie down? That is the question floppyboo Dec 2019 #69

Hard to disagree. The facts are many people think Bernie is right and many Dems think he's not. KPN Dec 2019 #103

25% of Sanders supporters did not vote for the Dem nominee in 2016 mcar Dec 2019 #70

That's a whole hellava lot of BS supporters.. and Cha Dec 2019 #74

People keep saying Sanders endorsed and supported HRC mcar Dec 2019 #76

Not very well he didn't. Cha Dec 2019 #78

I was at the National Convention Gothmog Dec 2019 #82

He mostly talked about himself and oh, HRC was lesser of the two evils. Lexee Dec 2019 #90

this is not true. good grief. Kurt V. Dec 2019 #80

So prove your statement. Cha Dec 2019 #86

Why? Gothmog Dec 2019 #88

Facts are facts. George II Dec 2019 #89

For this thread Gothmog Dec 2019 #92

Survey Shows Fewer than 80% of Sanders Supporters Who Voted in General Election Voted for Clinton Gothmog Dec 2019 #99

Thank you for this, Goth! Cha Dec 2019 #108

I guess it's no surprise that three of his top staffers (Turner, Gray, and Sirota) voted for Stein. George II Dec 2019 #81

Not even a little bit. Cha Dec 2019 #85

This is very telling Gothmog Dec 2019 #93

You are correct Gothmog Dec 2019 #124

Kick sheshe2 Dec 2019 #94

Bernie's Platform is already part of the Democratic Establishment lees1975 Dec 2019 #96

Seems like a lot of circular reasoning. They aren't undermining the movement, they are the movement KPN Dec 2019 #102

There are millions of Democrats who are radical noodle Dec 2019 #104

We're basically reliving the 2016 election liberalmediaaddict Dec 2019 #106

Yes..He loves to attack Democrats..Bernie and his Bernie or Bust supporters helpisontheway Dec 2019 #107

Of course. betsuni Dec 2019 #116

Are the Russians backing Bernie? katmondoo Dec 2019 #117

Thanks for this. A good reminder of why Putin took notice R B Garr Dec 2019 #119

"Like the last time." BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #123