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Gothmog

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87. You are free to do so but I trust Ornstein on numbers

Reply to Kurt V. (Reply #84)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 11:39 PM

Dec 2019

I trust Ornstein’s numbers

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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If Bernie Does Not Win Primary, Will His Campaign Work to Defeat the Democratic Nominee? [View all] TomCADem Dec 2019 OP

I don't expect them to help. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #1

Neither do I. That is why it is imperative to not screw around with them. Blue_true Dec 2019 #35

Some folks have said this for a few years now... Eliot Rosewater Dec 2019 #2

I would hope not, but its none of my concern. aikoaiko Dec 2019 #3

He's always claimed the Repub-Dems corruptly serve the same Hortensis Dec 2019 #4

Cult like thinking Dream Girl Dec 2019 #8

Too often. Some also always oppose the greater, majority, power. Hortensis Dec 2019 #13

My Guess Is Me. Dec 2019 #28

2020 looks a lot like 2016 REDUX. While I remain Undecided I have done some winnowing of the abqtommy Dec 2019 #5

sanders supporters elected trump Gothmog Dec 2019 #34

What I think is BlueMTexpat Dec 2019 #6

Again? MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #7

I'd bet on it... comradebillyboy Dec 2019 #9

Of course they will. boomer_wv Dec 2019 #10

If Bernie didn't care about the Democrats winning he would have run as an independent vsrazdem Dec 2019 #11

That's not what he has said publicly Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #12

Wrong. Your source makes no such claim. Your edit leaves a false impression Tom Rinaldo Dec 2019 #30

He Also Would've Run As An Indie Me. Dec 2019 #29

I've tried makin this point to no avail...some here have even actively ADVOCATED for Bernie to run InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #63

Bernie 2020!!! ahoysrcsm Dec 2019 #111

YES WE WILL!!!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #120

BERNIE NUMBER ONE!!! BERNIE NUMBER ONE!!! ahoysrcsm Dec 2019 #130

Sanders only cares about Democrats winning Skidmore Dec 2019 #114

Bernie Supporters did more to get Trump elected in 2016 than people realize Gothmog Dec 2019 #14

More voters went from Hillary Clinton to John McCain in 2008 than went from Sanders to Trump in 2016 vsrazdem Dec 2019 #15

From Norm Ornstein Gothmog Dec 2019 #21

More voters went from Hillary Clinton to John McCain in 2008 than went from Sanders to Trump in 2016 vsrazdem Dec 2019 #22

You are wrong-84 % if Clinton voters voted for Obama vs. 74% of sanders voters Gothmog Dec 2019 #25

HA! PROOF! Mahalo, Goth!! Cha Dec 2019 #31

One cannot just look at sanders voters who voted for trump Gothmog Dec 2019 #32

Exactly what I've been thinking the whole time.. Cha Dec 2019 #36

Then you should tell them their research study is wrong, vsrazdem Dec 2019 #39

The study itself never supported your claim Gothmog Dec 2019 #64

ornstein is a conservative. Kurt V. Dec 2019 #68

... mcar Dec 2019 #71

am i wrong on this? Kurt V. Dec 2019 #72

I'd take a million conservatives like Ornstein over the extremes we see today mcar Dec 2019 #75

That's not actually a thing. crap :( Kurt V. Dec 2019 #79

Who is a Never Trumper and is well respected in the real world Gothmog Dec 2019 #83

i don't respect him. he refuses to acknowledge his own role (as a conservative) in this shitshow. Kurt V. Dec 2019 #84

You are free to do so but I trust Ornstein on numbers Gothmog Dec 2019 #87

Ornstein is quoting a footnote from Cooperative Congressional Election Survey Gothmog Dec 2019 #100

So what if they did? TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #50

Survey Shows Fewer than 80% of Sanders Supporters Who Voted in General Election Voted for Clinton Gothmog Dec 2019 #98

Not sure I would take heart to information from a blogger member of the libertarian party. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #126

The material posted is from Cooperative Congressional Election Survey Gothmog Dec 2019 #127

I don't see any actual survey. I did however see the link to "see the story" which included vsrazdem Dec 2019 #128

LOL-did you read the fine print that states where the data came from CCES Gothmog Dec 2019 #129

You do know that sanders has people who voted for Jill Stein on his staff Gothmog Dec 2019 #125

84% is less than 74%??? Gothmog Dec 2019 #26

The poster won't respond to actual numbers. He or she prefer pulling up skewed studies that no Blue_true Dec 2019 #45

It seems that you are correct Gothmog Dec 2019 #91

The person has had most of the night to respond to your post, crickets so far. nt Blue_true Dec 2019 #95

Sorry I'm not responding. I happen to be working, which I do 13 hours a day 6 days a week. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #97

The material posted is from Cooperative Congressional Election Survey Gothmog Dec 2019 #101

You are dead wrong. Something like 8% of PUMAS voted for McCain, Blue_true Dec 2019 #37

Not according to this study. Do you have other facts to back up your clami. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #38

Other studies dispute your claim. It is up to you to prove, I have no dog Blue_true Dec 2019 #44

That is consisted with what I have read Gothmog Dec 2019 #65

Context is everything. lapucelle Dec 2019 #61

Bernie and his campaign in general, no, they won't work to defeat the Dem nominee Hav Dec 2019 #16

Bernie is not interested in delivering his goals dansolo Dec 2019 #122

No, but right wing talking points don't help. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #17

How does it help when his campaign is retweeting this? OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #18

I don't know, do you think its true? I saw someone on THIS board, say they would not vote vsrazdem Dec 2019 #19

I'm voting for Bernie if he is the nominee OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #20

Absolutely NO ONE has said or even remotely implied that they won't support Bernie as our nominee. Blue_true Dec 2019 #40

ABSOLUTELY FALSE!!! Someone on this board just this week stated they would not vote for Bernie vsrazdem Dec 2019 #42

I hope that you called that person's ass out, because if I had seen it, that is what Blue_true Dec 2019 #46

I would be right there with you. I was quite shocked at that comment as it is the first time I have vsrazdem Dec 2019 #48

I saw that too!! Sad. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #59

Bernie 2020!!!! ahoysrcsm Dec 2019 #109

Link. betsuni Dec 2019 #115

Sorry, can't give you the link because it was deleted by poster Gothmog. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #118

"Voting my conscience." I thought that was good. betsuni Dec 2019 #121

I regularly see Sanders supporters saying this mcar Dec 2019 #73

Then Bernie's Campaign Needs To Stop Pushing Russian/Ring Wing Talking Points TomCADem Dec 2019 #23

I hope not, but the minute he isn't the nominee he leaves the party. redstatebluegirl Dec 2019 #24

He campaigned for the last one. I suppose he will do it for whoever the nominee is this time. Autumn Dec 2019 #27

He really didn't campaign for Hillary. He took Blue_true Dec 2019 #43

He campaigned for Hillary. 52 events in 14 states, more than any other surrogate. Autumn Dec 2019 #52

He vanished after the convention and didn't come back until October. Blue_true Dec 2019 #58

Why bring this up. Just another hit piece on bernie. Joe941 Dec 2019 #33

Seems like a legitimate topic for discussion. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #53

It also wouldnt be discussed if Bernie wasnt doing extremely well... Joe941 Dec 2019 #56

Yet, he is rarely at the top of any of the polls. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #77

They can't help themselves. Every post about Bernies causes severe anxiety and people just have vsrazdem Dec 2019 #41

Not only that, but some can't even find a SINGLE positive thing to say about Bernie InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #60

That's the spirit! The Valley Below Dec 2019 #105

BERNIE!!! BERNIE!!! BERNIE!!! ahoysrcsm Dec 2019 #110

du rec. nt BootinUp Dec 2019 #47

No. egduj Dec 2019 #49

they live here , work here, and feel the traumas of the trump admin. not a chance. Kurt V. Dec 2019 #51

No reason to think he wouldnt. His track record says as much. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #54

They are radical enough to do that..... chillfactor Dec 2019 #55

And there you have it, in case anyone doubted...at least your honest Chillactor in saying: InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #66

BERNIE NUMBER ONE!!!!! ahoysrcsm Dec 2019 #112

I Supported Bernie Then Donated To And Phone Called For Hillary DanieRains Dec 2019 #57

THIS!!! Hat's off to you... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #67

BERNIE!!! BERNIE!!! BERNIE!!! ahoysrcsm Dec 2019 #113

Yes n/t NYMinute Dec 2019 #62

This is hillarious! If Bernie wins will Bloomberg work to take Bernie down? That is the question floppyboo Dec 2019 #69

Hard to disagree. The facts are many people think Bernie is right and many Dems think he's not. KPN Dec 2019 #103

25% of Sanders supporters did not vote for the Dem nominee in 2016 mcar Dec 2019 #70

That's a whole hellava lot of BS supporters.. and Cha Dec 2019 #74

People keep saying Sanders endorsed and supported HRC mcar Dec 2019 #76

Not very well he didn't. Cha Dec 2019 #78

I was at the National Convention Gothmog Dec 2019 #82

He mostly talked about himself and oh, HRC was lesser of the two evils. Lexee Dec 2019 #90

this is not true. good grief. Kurt V. Dec 2019 #80

So prove your statement. Cha Dec 2019 #86

Why? Gothmog Dec 2019 #88

Facts are facts. George II Dec 2019 #89

For this thread Gothmog Dec 2019 #92

Survey Shows Fewer than 80% of Sanders Supporters Who Voted in General Election Voted for Clinton Gothmog Dec 2019 #99

Thank you for this, Goth! Cha Dec 2019 #108

I guess it's no surprise that three of his top staffers (Turner, Gray, and Sirota) voted for Stein. George II Dec 2019 #81

Not even a little bit. Cha Dec 2019 #85

This is very telling Gothmog Dec 2019 #93

You are correct Gothmog Dec 2019 #124

Kick sheshe2 Dec 2019 #94

Bernie's Platform is already part of the Democratic Establishment lees1975 Dec 2019 #96

Seems like a lot of circular reasoning. They aren't undermining the movement, they are the movement KPN Dec 2019 #102

There are millions of Democrats who are radical noodle Dec 2019 #104

We're basically reliving the 2016 election liberalmediaaddict Dec 2019 #106

Yes..He loves to attack Democrats..Bernie and his Bernie or Bust supporters helpisontheway Dec 2019 #107

Of course. betsuni Dec 2019 #116

Are the Russians backing Bernie? katmondoo Dec 2019 #117

Thanks for this. A good reminder of why Putin took notice R B Garr Dec 2019 #119

"Like the last time." BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #123