Democratic Primaries

ck4829

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76. Exactly. What we need to do is stop caring so much about abstract economic schools of thought

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:06 PM

Dec 2019

Case in point, the idea of involuntary unemployment, there are economists who doubt it exists. I can tell you though, it's a reality.

I don't think I'm alone when I say this...
I want to put food on the table
I want to make sure my family member with a rare disease is seen as more important than a profit margin
I don't need to come home and find the light switch doesn't work
I don't want to be gaslighted and told my period of involuntary unemployment didn't happen
I don't need the prices of my drugs to be artificially inflated because... reasons
I am tired of hearing "despite the strong economy", that we have a "strong economy"... with more and more asterisks that just all happen to involve the lower classes

Instead of arguing over labels and the need to fight for an illusory "middle class", who will work on those things?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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As our party becomes more diverse. The socialist tag brings up a lot of bad memories for our [View all] Peacetrain Dec 2019 OP

Capitalists hate the idea of socialism. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #1

Nah. Its the 50-100 million killed by revolutionary socialist movements The Valley Below Dec 2019 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author First Speaker Dec 2019 #5

I wish I could like comments Loki Liesmith Dec 2019 #7

You just did! Cha Dec 2019 #12

Capitalism has killed as many if not more. so a reasonable response (imo) Kurt V. Dec 2019 #21

omg PhoenixDem Dec 2019 #46

And nobody is dying from "socialism" in the US today ck4829 Dec 2019 #57

In an actual socialist country treestar Dec 2019 #67

And yet, somehow, that's exactly what's happening here as well ck4829 Dec 2019 #70

Amen to that appalachiablue Dec 2019 #81

Hmm. Socialism as an ideology cannot exist in a pure state. PatrickforO Dec 2019 #29

Social Democracies and Democratic Socialism are two very different ideologies. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #31

I'm not conflating anything. If we want to split academic hairs, then fine. PatrickforO Dec 2019 #48

A liberal social democracy treestar Dec 2019 #68

OK. I can go with that. A liberal social democracy. PatrickforO Dec 2019 #80

Just "Democrats" will do. Best to steer clear of any association... brush Dec 2019 #65

This! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #101

This. emmaverybo Dec 2019 #51

Most blood-soaked ideology? Wouldn't that be nationalism ck4829 Dec 2019 #56

People who've experienced failed socialist governments, Hortensis Dec 2019 #3

Correction: The social democracies in Europe have not failed... brush Dec 2019 #32

There are no social democracies in Europe. Hortensis Dec 2019 #33

Of course they're thriving capitalist societies wih many socialist features... brush Dec 2019 #35

Government-controlled institutions are not socialist. Hortensis Dec 2019 #36

Most of us on DU know those 3 programs you mentioned are indeed... brush Dec 2019 #37

"Smarter to keep that quiet, get elected, then work Hortensis Dec 2019 #62

You're so confused. I'm not a Sanders supporter. I can't say it... brush Dec 2019 #63

I sure am and apologize for that mistake. Seems like everywhere Hortensis Dec 2019 #64

Great points!! Thank you Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #102

those features are not "socialist" treestar Dec 2019 #69

It goes beyond the "means of production". It's about programs paid... brush Dec 2019 #72

But it is not actual socialism treestar Dec 2019 #73

Please! Call them "liberal" programs if you want, but how about... brush Dec 2019 #75

It's not "socialist" though treestar Dec 2019 #77

You're confused. Get a dictionary or google social democracies. brush Dec 2019 #79

I am not; social democracy treestar Dec 2019 #94

Who's advocating socialism? Not me. brush Dec 2019 #95

Most of us, earning a living for working, yes, for corporations hate the idea of socialism question everything Dec 2019 #4

No one here suggests that everyone be paid the same. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #18

Bernie talks about a living wage, not equal pay for everyone Beringia Dec 2019 #24

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" question everything Dec 2019 #34

Who cares what the R's think Beringia Dec 2019 #42

Where has socialism ever worked? Blue_true Dec 2019 #40

Or, when has socialism ever been chosen by the people? question everything Dec 2019 #49

hmmm... PETRUS Dec 2019 #87

Again. Blue_true Dec 2019 #89

Again? PETRUS Dec 2019 #91

Socialism doesn't work because of human nature. Blue_true Dec 2019 #92

Where to begin... PETRUS Dec 2019 #93

Any Government owned entity is an example of social democracy. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #84

You are conflating socialism with social democracy or quasi-capitalism. Blue_true Dec 2019 #90

Social Democratic is different from socialism treestar Dec 2019 #66

Nope TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #6

The Cubans in Florida disagree with you. OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #11

That's fine TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #16

Actually Cubans in Florida are voting more for democrats. Blue_true Dec 2019 #41

Socialists can be socialists and non-socialists can be non-socialists. David__77 Dec 2019 #8

Mmmm First time to disagree with my much loved Peace t. LakeArenal Dec 2019 #9

Not just South or Latin America beastie boy Dec 2019 #10

If we nominate Sanders and they don't like it TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #15

Temper, temper! This is how you lose elections. And nominations. beastie boy Dec 2019 #28

And this. emmaverybo Dec 2019 #52

Difference between socialism and Democratic socialism is worth a discussion. n/t CousinIT Dec 2019 #13

Yes TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #17

That just isn't so Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #103

Read the goals of both. There is no difference. Blue_true Dec 2019 #43

Spending time in East Germany in 1971 has bad memories for me. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2019 #14

most socialist governments have been one man/party dictatorships not really msongs Dec 2019 #19

The problem with socialism. Blue_true Dec 2019 #44

In practice absolutely. emmaverybo Dec 2019 #53

Please, we have plenty of socialism in the US of A. Medicare, social security, public schools, vsrazdem Dec 2019 #20

None of the things you mention are "socialism." The Valley Below Dec 2019 #25

National Parks, Police, and Government-run fire protection TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #27

LOL. No they are not. These are not "means of production or distribution." The Valley Below Dec 2019 #30

They are paid for by taxes and fees. They are quasi-capitalist because people Blue_true Dec 2019 #47

American socialism is not the same thing. Baitball Blogger Dec 2019 #22

The "socialism" tag is a right-wing smear, nothing more. hay rick Dec 2019 #23

It's a political death knell evertonfc Dec 2019 #26

It sticks if the candidate has declared himself a socialist for decades. brush Dec 2019 #39

Most won't be voting in this election. Our young people, who are now paying attention Autumn Dec 2019 #38

The socialist tag is a kiss of death nt PhoenixDem Dec 2019 #45

Exactly. lamp_shade Dec 2019 #50

Well then I supposed we should just give up since whoever we nominate will be tagged that way...n/t TCJ70 Dec 2019 #96

Not even close PhoenixDem Dec 2019 #98

You think that matters to Republicans? Whoever we nominate will be called socialist... TCJ70 Dec 2019 #107

No -- it will ONLY work against Sen Warren and of course Bernie who admitted to being one n/t PhoenixDem Dec 2019 #108

Lol...ok. N/t TCJ70 Dec 2019 #109

See...it is! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #104

I remember Sanders in 2016 talking up the virtues of the 1950s economy in the US Recursion Dec 2019 #54

"Now it is very unusual to find one person earning enough money to pay the bills. betsuni Dec 2019 #58

It's one or the other, though Recursion Dec 2019 #59

I think the "The women's revolution, which is a good thing" comment betsuni Dec 2019 #60

Oh, sorry, I read you wrong there Recursion Dec 2019 #74

But yet everything is socialist today ck4829 Dec 2019 #55

Socialism is not what's killing America. RhodeIslandOne Dec 2019 #61

so... myohmy2 Dec 2019 #71

Exactly. What we need to do is stop caring so much about abstract economic schools of thought ck4829 Dec 2019 #76

We really need to rebrand our system of Governing randr Dec 2019 #78

So many federal government programs and departments are "socialist". no_hypocrisy Dec 2019 #82

The democrats need a marketing department. CrispyQ Dec 2019 #83

I would say most immigrants coming from Bolivia, Chile and Brazil will most likely be socialists. Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #85

When socialist systems fail, fascistic and/or laissez-faire RW Hortensis Dec 2019 #88

That's an...interesting reading of the history of much of Latin America for the past 50+ years. Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #99

It's saying that populist-lead insurrections destroyed Hortensis Dec 2019 #105

Lol, you actually think Sanders is extreme in his views, he's a mild social democrat, no more... Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #106

Sometimes I just want to grab people and shake them. PETRUS Dec 2019 #110

Its like watching 12 year old kids talk about what sex is without having experienced it themselves. Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #111

Ha! That's pretty funny. PETRUS Dec 2019 #112

A far left candidate on the ticket would kill down ballot candidates Gothmog Dec 2019 #86

This says it all Zeus69 Dec 2019 #113

Our current system is a current bad memory for millions of people. essme Dec 2019 #97

Define "Socialism" lees1975 Dec 2019 #100