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Drunken Irishman

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7. There's plenty of demographics Democrats need to win.
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:57 PM
Dec 2019

It's not just young voters - it's also black voters and, unfortunately, it's also white voters.

Take Pennsylvania. In 2016, Hillary won 92% of black voters according to exit polls. They made up 10% of the state's voting population. Trump won 7%. In 2012, they made up 13% of the overall vote - and Obama won 93% to Romney's 6%. So, both Hillary and Trump did +1 better than Obama/Romney BUT blacks made up three-points fewer than they did four years earlier. And I know Obama being the black candidate likely meant a higher black turnout but ... what if it didn't? In 2004, blacks made up 13% of the overall votes in Pennsylvania - unchanged from 2012 AND 2008.

That three-point dip was significant, as significant as the dip in youth turnout.

Obama didn't just win the White House because of the youth vote. That certainly helped - but it was also because whites made up a smaller share of the vote in some states than they did in 2016.

Whites were 81% of the vote in Pennsylvania in 2016. In 2012, they were 78%.

What hurt Hillary was her performance among white voters.

Had she done as well as Obama did in 2012, she wins PA, MI and WI.

Just look:

In Wisconsin, Hillary lost the white vote 53-42 to Trump. In 2012, Obama lost the white vote to Romney 48-51. Trump did -2 worse than Romney there but more significantly, Hillary did -6 worse than Obama.

In Pennsylvania, Hillary lost the white vote 56-40 to Trump. In 2012, Obama lost 57-42. Not a sizable difference but still, Trump did -1 worse than Romney and Hillary -2 worse than Obama. Had Hillary lost the white vote +15 instead of +16, it's likely she ekes out a very narrow win - especially if black turnout is at 13% like it was in 2004, 2008 and 2012.

Bottom line: There's enough evidence to suggest had Hillary won this demographic over the other that she'd be president today. It's a fine line. It's not just on younger voters. The next candidate is going to have to cobble together a coalition that encompasses a lot of demographics.

Can Biden win younger voters?

Can Bernie or Elizabeth win over black voters to a level we likely need them to be at to win, say, Pennsylvania again?

It's a tough question. There isn't an Obama running this go around. That's the reality. The nominee is going to have their work cut out for them because they do have vulnerabilities that Obama seemed to lack.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Great Research on Young Voters ritapria Dec 2019 #1
I have made my soapbox position clear on this lambchopp59 Dec 2019 #2
Dems are a very moderate group. These eye popping numbers prove that Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #18
Moderate above all as in sensible believers in DEMOCRACY. Hortensis Dec 2019 #28
typically younger folk don't vote as much as older folk.....but..... Skittles Dec 2019 #3
They engaged in 2018 and these newly registered voters blm Dec 2019 #4
I wish they had better choices Skittles Dec 2019 #5
If Dems unlock the key to youth turnout, they will hold house senate and WH for a generation not Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #17
I am very impressed with young folk today Skittles Dec 2019 #19
Smart younger voters shouldn't need special efforts after trump, but I'm Hoyt Dec 2019 #6
There's plenty of demographics Democrats need to win. Drunken Irishman Dec 2019 #7
Biden has a great deal of appeal in the AA community...Hillary won the youth vote and still lost...I Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #10
This! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #22
What you're saying is that unless Biden is the nominee ms liberty Dec 2019 #27
You need more than that...Hillary did win the youth vote in 16...with similar number to 12... Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #8
Then it's a good thing Biden does about as well with young voters in GE match-ups against Trump as highplainsdem Dec 2019 #9
I'm thinking more about Biden supporters crazytown Dec 2019 #13
Typical - taking a post out of context dansolo Dec 2019 #21
You were talking about the younger voters crazytown Dec 2019 #23
Anyone who won't vote for the Democratic nominee is dead to me...young or old. Fuck them. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #30
Agreed dansolo Jan 2020 #36
The younger ones are not reliable anyway...but we can hope enough of all voters want Trump gone. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #38
Where have I heard, gab13by13 Dec 2019 #26
Why does everyone seem to think only Boomers and Millennials vote? OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #11
The youth vote are dogged relentlessly and every excuse MerryBlooms Dec 2019 #12
It's weird, isn't it? Mariana Dec 2019 #15
Same people who are on Medicare, but are against M4A... MerryBlooms Dec 2019 #16
oh geez, it is because the over 45s VOTED treestar Jan 2020 #37
"They didn't need inspiration." Mariana Jan 2020 #40
+1 demmiblue Dec 2019 #25
If they don't vote for any nominee in the general than they deserve disdain and a dash of contempt. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #31
Btw, re Al Gore -- he won the popular vote, and probably would have won the electoral college highplainsdem Dec 2019 #14
Yes!! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #20
I am one boomer_wv Dec 2019 #24
Bernie does best among voters 18-25 according to most polls compared to all of our candidates. totodeinhere Dec 2019 #29
No he won't help the Democratic nominee IMO...and that is a damn shame...not a great legacy for Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #32
I for one would urge everyone to get behind our eventual nominee whether it totodeinhere Dec 2019 #33
We will see...Sen. Sanders did not support Hillary much in the general last time...I will support Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #34
No he won't be in a mood to help just like the general in 16. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #39
"... and the children shall lead..." calimary Jan 2020 #35
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