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TCJ70

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96. Well then I supposed we should just give up since whoever we nominate will be tagged that way...n/t

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Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:00 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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As our party becomes more diverse. The socialist tag brings up a lot of bad memories for our [View all] Peacetrain Dec 2019 OP

Capitalists hate the idea of socialism. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #1

Nah. Its the 50-100 million killed by revolutionary socialist movements The Valley Below Dec 2019 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author First Speaker Dec 2019 #5

I wish I could like comments Loki Liesmith Dec 2019 #7

You just did! Cha Dec 2019 #12

Capitalism has killed as many if not more. so a reasonable response (imo) Kurt V. Dec 2019 #21

omg PhoenixDem Dec 2019 #46

And nobody is dying from "socialism" in the US today ck4829 Dec 2019 #57

In an actual socialist country treestar Dec 2019 #67

And yet, somehow, that's exactly what's happening here as well ck4829 Dec 2019 #70

Amen to that appalachiablue Dec 2019 #81

Hmm. Socialism as an ideology cannot exist in a pure state. PatrickforO Dec 2019 #29

Social Democracies and Democratic Socialism are two very different ideologies. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #31

I'm not conflating anything. If we want to split academic hairs, then fine. PatrickforO Dec 2019 #48

A liberal social democracy treestar Dec 2019 #68

OK. I can go with that. A liberal social democracy. PatrickforO Dec 2019 #80

Just "Democrats" will do. Best to steer clear of any association... brush Dec 2019 #65

This! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #101

This. emmaverybo Dec 2019 #51

Most blood-soaked ideology? Wouldn't that be nationalism ck4829 Dec 2019 #56

People who've experienced failed socialist governments, Hortensis Dec 2019 #3

Correction: The social democracies in Europe have not failed... brush Dec 2019 #32

There are no social democracies in Europe. Hortensis Dec 2019 #33

Of course they're thriving capitalist societies wih many socialist features... brush Dec 2019 #35

Government-controlled institutions are not socialist. Hortensis Dec 2019 #36

Most of us on DU know those 3 programs you mentioned are indeed... brush Dec 2019 #37

"Smarter to keep that quiet, get elected, then work Hortensis Dec 2019 #62

You're so confused. I'm not a Sanders supporter. I can't say it... brush Dec 2019 #63

I sure am and apologize for that mistake. Seems like everywhere Hortensis Dec 2019 #64

Great points!! Thank you Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #102

those features are not "socialist" treestar Dec 2019 #69

It goes beyond the "means of production". It's about programs paid... brush Dec 2019 #72

But it is not actual socialism treestar Dec 2019 #73

Please! Call them "liberal" programs if you want, but how about... brush Dec 2019 #75

It's not "socialist" though treestar Dec 2019 #77

You're confused. Get a dictionary or google social democracies. brush Dec 2019 #79

I am not; social democracy treestar Dec 2019 #94

Who's advocating socialism? Not me. brush Dec 2019 #95

Most of us, earning a living for working, yes, for corporations hate the idea of socialism question everything Dec 2019 #4

No one here suggests that everyone be paid the same. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #18

Bernie talks about a living wage, not equal pay for everyone Beringia Dec 2019 #24

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" question everything Dec 2019 #34

Who cares what the R's think Beringia Dec 2019 #42

Where has socialism ever worked? Blue_true Dec 2019 #40

Or, when has socialism ever been chosen by the people? question everything Dec 2019 #49

hmmm... PETRUS Dec 2019 #87

Again. Blue_true Dec 2019 #89

Again? PETRUS Dec 2019 #91

Socialism doesn't work because of human nature. Blue_true Dec 2019 #92

Where to begin... PETRUS Dec 2019 #93

Any Government owned entity is an example of social democracy. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #84

You are conflating socialism with social democracy or quasi-capitalism. Blue_true Dec 2019 #90

Social Democratic is different from socialism treestar Dec 2019 #66

Nope TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #6

The Cubans in Florida disagree with you. OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #11

That's fine TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #16

Actually Cubans in Florida are voting more for democrats. Blue_true Dec 2019 #41

Socialists can be socialists and non-socialists can be non-socialists. David__77 Dec 2019 #8

Mmmm First time to disagree with my much loved Peace t. LakeArenal Dec 2019 #9

Not just South or Latin America beastie boy Dec 2019 #10

If we nominate Sanders and they don't like it TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #15

Temper, temper! This is how you lose elections. And nominations. beastie boy Dec 2019 #28

And this. emmaverybo Dec 2019 #52

Difference between socialism and Democratic socialism is worth a discussion. n/t CousinIT Dec 2019 #13

Yes TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #17

That just isn't so Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #103

Read the goals of both. There is no difference. Blue_true Dec 2019 #43

Spending time in East Germany in 1971 has bad memories for me. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2019 #14

most socialist governments have been one man/party dictatorships not really msongs Dec 2019 #19

The problem with socialism. Blue_true Dec 2019 #44

In practice absolutely. emmaverybo Dec 2019 #53

Please, we have plenty of socialism in the US of A. Medicare, social security, public schools, vsrazdem Dec 2019 #20

None of the things you mention are "socialism." The Valley Below Dec 2019 #25

National Parks, Police, and Government-run fire protection TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #27

LOL. No they are not. These are not "means of production or distribution." The Valley Below Dec 2019 #30

They are paid for by taxes and fees. They are quasi-capitalist because people Blue_true Dec 2019 #47

American socialism is not the same thing. Baitball Blogger Dec 2019 #22

The "socialism" tag is a right-wing smear, nothing more. hay rick Dec 2019 #23

It's a political death knell evertonfc Dec 2019 #26

It sticks if the candidate has declared himself a socialist for decades. brush Dec 2019 #39

Most won't be voting in this election. Our young people, who are now paying attention Autumn Dec 2019 #38

The socialist tag is a kiss of death nt PhoenixDem Dec 2019 #45

Exactly. lamp_shade Dec 2019 #50

Well then I supposed we should just give up since whoever we nominate will be tagged that way...n/t TCJ70 Dec 2019 #96

Not even close PhoenixDem Dec 2019 #98

You think that matters to Republicans? Whoever we nominate will be called socialist... TCJ70 Dec 2019 #107

No -- it will ONLY work against Sen Warren and of course Bernie who admitted to being one n/t PhoenixDem Dec 2019 #108

Lol...ok. N/t TCJ70 Dec 2019 #109

See...it is! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #104

I remember Sanders in 2016 talking up the virtues of the 1950s economy in the US Recursion Dec 2019 #54

"Now it is very unusual to find one person earning enough money to pay the bills. betsuni Dec 2019 #58

It's one or the other, though Recursion Dec 2019 #59

I think the "The women's revolution, which is a good thing" comment betsuni Dec 2019 #60

Oh, sorry, I read you wrong there Recursion Dec 2019 #74

But yet everything is socialist today ck4829 Dec 2019 #55

Socialism is not what's killing America. RhodeIslandOne Dec 2019 #61

so... myohmy2 Dec 2019 #71

Exactly. What we need to do is stop caring so much about abstract economic schools of thought ck4829 Dec 2019 #76

We really need to rebrand our system of Governing randr Dec 2019 #78

So many federal government programs and departments are "socialist". no_hypocrisy Dec 2019 #82

The democrats need a marketing department. CrispyQ Dec 2019 #83

I would say most immigrants coming from Bolivia, Chile and Brazil will most likely be socialists. Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #85

When socialist systems fail, fascistic and/or laissez-faire RW Hortensis Dec 2019 #88

That's an...interesting reading of the history of much of Latin America for the past 50+ years. Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #99

It's saying that populist-lead insurrections destroyed Hortensis Dec 2019 #105

Lol, you actually think Sanders is extreme in his views, he's a mild social democrat, no more... Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #106

Sometimes I just want to grab people and shake them. PETRUS Dec 2019 #110

Its like watching 12 year old kids talk about what sex is without having experienced it themselves. Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #111

Ha! That's pretty funny. PETRUS Dec 2019 #112

A far left candidate on the ticket would kill down ballot candidates Gothmog Dec 2019 #86

This says it all Zeus69 Dec 2019 #113

Our current system is a current bad memory for millions of people. essme Dec 2019 #97

Define "Socialism" lees1975 Dec 2019 #100